Roy Keane

[Drumcondra 69er]

What everyone seems to forget is that we only needed a draw for that game to more or less ensure we qualified instead of the Dutch from what I remember so its a stretch to say we were blessed. The Dutch never looked like they were going to win that game at any stage though granted they had a few chances to grab an equaliser.

I'd have to suggest you were at a different game to everyone else that day if that's your honest opinion.

They had more chances to go in front then to grab an equaliser, they lost their shape once they went one behind.

[youngirish]

I'd have to suggest you were at a different game to everyone else that day if that's your honest opinion.

They had more chances to go in front then to grab an equaliser, they lost their shape once they went one behind.

They should have had a clear penalty near the end when Dunne fouled Van Nistelrooy. Kluivert and Overmars had a couple of chances in the first half. Nothing too dangerous from my recollection.

[jbyrne]

I'd have to suggest you were at a different game to everyone else that day if that's your honest opinion.

They had more chances to go in front then to grab an equaliser, they lost their shape once they went one behind.

we had other chances too and shay only had to make one or two decent saves. they created a few chances ok but their finishing was poor

[tetsujin1979]

What everyone seems to forget is that we only needed a draw for that game to more or less ensure we qualified instead of the Dutch from what I remember so its a stretch to say we were blessed. The Dutch never looked like they were going to win that game at any stage though granted they had a few chances to grab an equaliser.

The final table (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA_-_Group_2) ) looked like this

 Rank  Team             Pld   W  D  L  GF  GA  GD Pts
     1 Portugal          10   7  3  0  33   7  26  24
     2 Ireland           10   7  3  0  23   5  18  24
     3 Netherlands       10   6  2  2  30   9  21  20
     4 Estonia           10   2  2  6  10  26 -16   8
     5 Cyprus            10   2  2  6  13  31 -18   8
     6 Andorra           10   0  0 10   5  36 -31   0

If the home game against Holland had finished level, then we would have had to equal their result against Andorra at home to Cyprus in the final game to be sure of second spot.
If the Dutch had won, then we would have finished third, because we would have been level with the Dutch following the last games, but lost out in the head to head record

actually kudos to whoever added in the appearance stats for the four teams on that page, lot of work went into that

[Drumcondra 69er]

They should have had a clear penalty near the end when Dunne fouled Van Nistelrooy. Kluivert and Overmars had a couple of chances in the first half. Nothing too dangerous from my recollection.

That penalty shout was about 5 minutes before we scored. They had 3 great chances in the first 15 minutes and another 3 in the first 10 minutes of the second half.

[jbyrne]

If the home game against Holland had finished level, then we would have had to equal their result against Andorra at home to Cyprus in the final game to be sure of second spot.

if it had ended in a draw we would have finished on 22 pts and the dutch on 21pts. we went into that game knowing a pt would be enough (assuming cyprus were beaten by us a few weeks later)

[paul_oshea]

The final table (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA_-_Group_2) ) looked like this

 Rank  Team             Pld   W  D  L  GF  GA  GD Pts
     1 Portugal          10   7  3  0  33   7  26  24
     2 Ireland           10   7  3  0  23   5  18  24
     3 Netherlands       10   6  2  2  30   9  21  20
     4 Estonia           10   2  2  6  10  26 -16   8
     5 Cyprus            10   2  2  6  13  31 -18   8
     6 Andorra           10   0  0 10   5  36 -31   0

If the home game against Holland had finished level, then we would have had to equal their result against Andorra at home to Cyprus in the final game to be sure of second spot.
If the Dutch had won, then we would have finished third, because we would have been level with the Dutch following the last games, but lost out in the head to head record

actually kudos to whoever added in the appearance stats for the four teams on that page, lot of work went into that

Going along with that, surely finishing, they would have been 21 points and we would have been 22, or heading into the last games 18 and 19 respectively?!

[Stuttgart88]

if it had ended in a draw we would have finished on 22 pts and the dutch on 21pts. we went into that game knowing a pt would be enough (assuming cyprus were beaten by us a few weeks later)

True. It was still a great win.

[tetsujin1979]

if it had ended in a draw we would have finished on 22 pts and the dutch on 21pts. we went into that game knowing a pt would be enough (assuming cyprus were beaten by us a few weeks later)

Going along with that, surely finishing, they would have been 21 points and we would have been 22, or heading into the last games 18 and 19 respectively?!

yeah, so if the Dutch drew against Andorra, a draw would have done against Cyprus, and if they beat Andorra, we would have had to beat Cyprus.

BTW, this all has nothing to do with Roy Keane being appointed Ipswich manager, so feel free to delete posts, or lock or whatever

[jbyrne]

BTW, this all has nothing to do with Roy Keane being appointed Ipswich manager

really?

[Den Perry]

The large guy in the blue shirt at the front had no doubts it was on the way in.

I couldn't get the song "My mamma always told me there'd be days like this" out of my head for weeks after this game. Whenever I hear it, I immediately recall that game.

Up there with Mackay's goal against Bulgaria, Houghton's double against England and Italy and Robbie's against Germany.

pity Mcateer turned out to be such a horrible, spiteful little b astard

[Stuttgart88]

In what way?

OwlsFan, I still can't get Alphaville's "Big in Japan" out of my head when thinking about that game. About the only decent & appropriate thing to ever come out of the PA system at a home international.

[geysir]

No memories of 'crying in the streets in the rain' songs?

[Drumcondra 69er]

pity Mcateer turned out to be such a horrible, spiteful little b astard

When did that happen? I must've missed that meeting......

Nothing to do with him daring to outsmart RK on the verbals front surely??

[tetsujin1979]

pity Mcateer turned out to be such a horrible, spiteful little b astard

never got that impression of Macca, quite the opposite in fact

[OwlsFan]

The final table (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA_-_Group_2) ) looked like this

 Rank  Team             Pld   W  D  L  GF  GA  GD Pts
     1 Portugal          10   7  3  0  33   7  26  24
     2 Ireland           10   7  3  0  23   5  18  24
     3 Netherlands       10   6  2  2  30   9  21  20
     4 Estonia           10   2  2  6  10  26 -16   8
     5 Cyprus            10   2  2  6  13  31 -18   8
     6 Andorra           10   0  0 10   5  36 -31   0

If the home game against Holland had finished level, then we would have had to equal their result against Andorra at home to Cyprus in the final game to be sure of second spot.
If the Dutch had won, then we would have finished third, because we would have been level with the Dutch following the last games, but lost out in the head to head record

To only concede 5 goals in 10 games was amazing but the sweetest of all was to beat and finish ahead of the Dutch and knock them out. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Remember Gelsenkirchen !!

pity Mcateer turned out to be such a horrible, spiteful little b astard

On what basis do you say that?

[Stuttgart88]

No memories of 'crying in the streets in the rain' songs?

No comprende senor

[bennocelt]

They should have had a clear penalty near the end when Dunne fouled Van Nistelrooy. Kluivert and Overmars had a couple of chances in the first half. Nothing too dangerous from my recollection.

thats shocking really how u could totally call that game wrong

holland were all over us, we were dead lucky

[Stuttgart88]

It was Given's foul on Van Nistelrooy, although all Given really did was stand his ground while Van N just ran straight through him. 9 times out of 10 though it'd have been a peno and a straight red.

For all the talk of Keane's early tackle we really should have been behind after only a few minutes, a Kelly error letting in Kluivert for a 1-on-1 that he comfortably beat Given with only for the ball to roll slowly past the post.

Late on Van N headed the ball narrowly past the post with Given rooted to the spot.

That's about all I can remember of the game, apart from McAteer's goal and Kelly having a general nightmare and his red card. Hasselbaink oplaying wide right at the end too - I think Van Gaal lost the plot a bit, though I think the gods favoured us for once. That whole campaign, at least after Amsterdam, was one where we got a bit more than we deserved I think, even the play off draw was kind.

[geysir]

No comprende senor

People associate a song with the good times, some associate a song with the bad times, some do both.


The Dutch did a bit of talking before that game didn't they?
Was that the one where one of the Dutch players talked about riling Keane up?