hehe sounds good to me
Just private message me youir name and i'll stick it on
We're going to try and get a website where you cans ign online but can't find a way yet.......
Verdict of a court? The verdict was guilty and life in prison and we're no way arguing with that!Originally posted by brendy_eire
And I think it would be a great injustice and an insult to the legal system if a public petition was to change the verdict of a court.
We're trying to change his living conditions in this so called 'prison'.
Exactly. Life in 'prison'. Not life a facility different from what other people get.Originally posted by liam88
life in prison and we're no way arguing with that!
Explain why he should be treated different from any other prisoner convicted of murder.
He shouldn't-which is why we're campaigning
http://www.keephuntleyinjail.tk -if you want to sign online.
http://www.anythingelse.com -if you don't
Point of information for Liam. Broadmoor is a high-security hospital. The prison housing Ian Huntley is Belmarsh.
As probably one of the few foot.ie readers to have actually been inside the latter (I failed a screw's job interview), any resemblance it bears to a holiday camp is non-existent.
They may have seen through my wishy-washy attitude to long-term imprisonment. But for all that don't expect Huntley to be back in Civvy Street much before 2030, if ever.
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He's moving to Broadmoore when the luxury suite is complete
Got to say the reaction to Liam's request is more than a bit harsh lads.
Your saying, basically, whats the point. Even if you don't like the idea of the way he's being punished your opinions won't change anything.
Well i have to say your right lads, your opinions almost certainly won't.
What's really sad to me, is that it would have taken you all so much less effort to add your names to the petition, than it did to give your reasons for not doing so.
If your opinions didn't count lads.
I wouldn't visit this site.
Fair play Liam, count me in.
The objection is to him being treated differently from anyone else. Why should he? The only reason that petition is going is because of the extra media attention his case got. I guarantee that if he'd killed two 25-year old men no-one would have cared all that much.Originally posted by frano
Got to say the reaction to Liam's request is more than a bit harsh lads.
Your saying, basically, whats the point. Even if you don't like the idea of the way he's being punished your opinions won't change anything.
Originally posted by brendy_eire
The objection is to him being treated differently from anyone else. Why should he? The only reason that petition is going is because of the extra media attention his case got. I guarantee that if he'd killed two 25-year old men no-one would have cared all that much.
Yeah Brendy, your probably right.
But then he didn't did he.
that wasn't my point at all. liam has used words like 'luxury suite' to imply that Huntley is being rewarded for his notoriety. Huntley is being treated the same as every high profile murderer and sex offender being detained in a high security facility in solitary (obviously because other prisoners would only be itching to have a go).Originally posted by frano
Your saying, basically, whats the point. Even if you don't like the idea of the way he's being punished your opinions won't change anything.
He's not being singled out for the special treatment that's being implied, and IMO anyone adding their name to this petition is just having a knee-jerk reaction to an inflammatory story, not recognising that Huntley is being punished exactly as anybody else guilty of such crimes would be.
Well I think that people have totally missed the point here. Would Huntley have been as reviled if he killed two 25-year old men? No, probably not, not even if they were Limerick fans, the most lovable of all people! I'll be honest with you I think that it's worse for a grown man to murder (at best) two 10-year old girls than two 25-year old men in the manner he did. Those two kids had no chance. The media circus that followed afterwards was pathetic and even at the time I muttered under my breath how it was a real pity that Holly and Jessica weren't wearing Cambridge United jersies as opposed to Man Yoo ones. Even so for anybody to complain at people wanting Huntley to serve serious hard time makes my mind boggle...
On another subject I think that the treatment meted out to Maxine Carr by the media and the Brit public in general was a disgrace. She wasn't involved at all in the murders from what I've gathered and she's had to endure over-the-top bile basically because she believed the man she loved when she said he didn't do it and lied for him. A crime certainly but hardly a major one.
And to make that crystal clear for anybody who's looking to pick an argument allow me to clarify.
I think it's worse to kill two ten-year old girls than to tell lies. So sue me. Maybe I'll get the cell next door to Ian.
The ball is round and has many surprises.
Let me clear this up-the petition is because he IS being treated differently.
The words 'luxury suite' wern't my choosing-that's what it is called-"TheBroadmoore Luxury Suite".
He will have his own key to wander in and out as long as he stays in Broadmoore.
Now-knowing people in the prison service and having done my homework BEFORE we launched this petition-generally prisons in England have 2 levels-Advanced and Basic, the main difference being that advanced you get a tv and get to wear your own clothes.
People who behaved badly inside prison get basic.
Now in my opinion (and that of the many others who have signed the petition and are helping us spread the word) the sheer sick and inhuman actions he has commited and the toture he has put so many people through means he deserves the most basic.
Instead-he is being moved to the NEW luxury suites.
Other life-sentances have got basic so it isn't to do with the fact he is in for so long.
Summing up we arn't saying lock him in a room on his own for the rest of his life, we arn't saying put him below any other human and we arn't saying hang him. All we are saying is that he shouldn't be treated differently to any other murderer/paedophile and should therefore not get a luxury suite but should simply have the lowest rights that prisoners are CURRENTLY given.
Thanks for your support those who have especially Waistcoat and Frano,
like Frano said-this site is all about opinions. If you want Huntley to be treated like any other murderer sign your name in 5 seconds on www.keephuntleyinjail.tk , if you don't, then don't.
Just don't spend so much of your time in here sending me messages against our campaign, we're not going to stop this campaign even after we've posted off the first batch of siignatures so at the end of the day what's the point?
I see where you're coming from Liam and I'm not knocking the effort, especially with so much apathy about, but my belief is that you can't make good laws with emotive cases.
It's been posted that it's worse to take the lives of two 10yr olds than of two 25 yr olds. Not for the families and friends of those same 25 yr olds, who would similarly seek greater hardships for 'their' Huntleys.
Those grieving can appeal to the judge for a harsh sentence but those emotionally involved should have no other input into the trial or sentencing (obviously except as witness to the act). Jury selection itself requires absence of bias and emotion about the case. Because of the media circus that followed the trial, many feel emotionally involved in this case and the petition is a result of this.
It would be a different case if Huntley had gotten ten years instead of life, in that case I'd be signing a petition too, because that would have been a travesty of justice, but in this case, the punishment fits the crime.
I don't suggest the petition won't make a difference, i say that it shouldn't.
That was me and I'm going to defend it. I'm 22 and I think that it takes an even worse person to kill Holly and Jessica than it would to kill me (and I know some of the Cobh crew have fantasised about it). I agree that to the families and friends of these fictictious 25 year olds there's no difference and nor should their be. They're not impartial witnesses though. The murder of children is the most heinous type of murder in my eyes. Personally I'd like to see Huntley hung or gassed or whatever but I'm not trying to turn this into a death penalty debate so let's not get side-tracked. The logisitcs of this case speak for themselves in my case. He lured them into his house and killed them. At best. Because he burned the bodies we can't tell what happened in the interim but I don't feel the least bit guilty about assuming that even more untoward actions took place. There's an innocence about kids that has disappeared by the time they're adults. That's why it is a worse crime to murder kids. That's my opinion on it though unlike some people here I'm quite happy that everybody else has their own.Originally posted by tiktok
It's been posted that it's worse to take the lives of two 10yr olds than of two 25 yr olds. Not for the families and friends of those same 25 yr olds, who would similarly seek greater hardships for 'their' Huntleys.
I will sign the petition but for far less noble reasons. From the start of this case I've thought Huntley was an @sshole (going out of his way to sympathise with one of the kids fathers???) and anything that might make his existence a little more difficult is ok in my book.
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Thank you
www.keephuntleyinjail.tk if anyone else wants to join waistcoat, frano sadloserkid and myself
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