Quotelikewise, lost interest with all the rubbish from the FAI, but now follow the LOI with a passion so it aint all badOriginally Posted by Rovers1
and will be lookin forward to Sligos euro away days in europe!
Indeed. A lack of any degree of formal education by the looks of things. That post is sickening.
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likewise, lost interest with all the rubbish from the FAI, but now follow the LOI with a passion so it aint all bad
and will be lookin forward to Sligos euro away days in europe!
Lads,
the title of this thread is "depressing" but surely it's just as depressing that a certain proportion of LOI fans absolutely obsess about who other Irish people support. They're entitled to follow who they like. That Uruguayan football writer/philosopher Eduardo Galeano wrote "I will watch good football any where I can find it"
The English league holds a natural sway over many people. We're not the only country it happens but it's obviously going to be the most pronounced here because we're such close neighbours, we used to be ruled by them and - being honest - the English league is the centre of gravity of Irish football when it comes to the top level. Not the core and grassroots admittedly.
If we were to take such an insular approach to all our other cultural pursuits, then we'd only listen to Irish music and only watch Irish films. How ludicrous would that be.
I support Rovers but the way some fellow fans are always looking over people's shoulders at what other people are doing is disheartening. I also like Manchester United because, culturally, they've always been there and, let's be honest, when you're five to 11, it's hard not to be seduced by that sort of glamour. The English league also happens to have most of the best players in the world at the minute - whether you like it or not. To not watch that I think would reveal you less of a football man. Because it would reveal you as a partisan instead of a purist.
It's said the mark of genius is to hold two thoughts in your head at the one time. When it comes to just following football in general, I think it's something a certain proportion of LOI fans should keep in mind.
Is anybody surprised?
To be fair...
I must add a caveat to that very last sentence. Many Irish fans who follow English clubs should also do the same and trot on down to their local ground AS WELL as watching their English ball on Saturday and Sunday afternoons.
Although, to be fair, I know a lot of people that follow/play for their local LSL/AUL club every bit as passionately as their English club. That's just as valid as the LOI and I think a reason for the LOI's lack of sway is partly attributable to the strength of the truly amateur game here.
No. You miss the point.
Not support. But at least not completely - and bitterly - ignore. And not berate people for doing so.
Certainly I think if you ONLY watch irish football and can't even muster interest in at least World Cups or the Champions League then you're projecting issues you have over patriotism/Irish nationalism onto football support.
Yeah but the guy in the post above doesn't hold any thought in his head.
Most people here watch english football as well as follow LOI. So to call people on here insular is wrong.
The problem is people who follow english football teams ONLY and are dismissive of LOI and the Irish national team. These people choose to follow an english club over their country, yet if we qualify for a world cup, they will be first on the bandwagon.
Sullane...
Read my post again. I didn't refer to those that watch both English football and Irish football... I referred to "a proportion" who ONLY watch Irish football. And then in a post a few moments later to those who ONLY watch English football.
It is the constant carping I find depressing though. As if people think they're morally superior because they only watch football inside Ireland.
Its not about an 'insual approach' at all. That site in particular is deluded, as they don't just think they are fans of a club but hardcore fans. They are completely ignorant for example making fun of 'the mancs london support' which is irony at its fullest.
I'm a globalist FFS, but I know what football was built on. Being a football supporter isn't about what the best quality is, if it was then we would have one european league with no national leagues. I use Setanta and Sky Sports when I want to watch the big European leagues, Bundesliga, Premier League or La Liga, but in order to live football you support your local team with fellow local people be they be black white green or yellow.
Being a football fan IS NOT about going to see 'the pool' vs 'chelksi' in mcneills with the rest of north kerry's liverpool supporters club.
These are the sort of people who believe everything that Sky Sports tells them, for example check up the best derby in the world thread.
http://www.irishkop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7289
On their Club vs Country thread I said you lot are deluded if you think that supporting Liverpool over England is akin to supporting Liverpool over Ireland, needless to say post was deleted.
They live in a bubble. I'd bet that 90% of them completely ignore their own league.
Last edited by irishultra; 19/04/2009 at 1:27 PM.
Like, there's one guy who comes on here... he has "Bohs" in his name in some capacity which probably explains a lot (that's a joke)... and EVERYTHING negative to do with Irish football he seems to relate back to "those *******s who follow English clubs". That sort of thing just makes me shake my head and also isn't helpful to improving Irish football.
IrishUltra,
I think, fundamentally, we're in agreement. And yes, people who talk like that are ****s and that's a certain strand of English-club-supporting fans here. But they're no better or worse than a certain strand of LOI fans who constantly carp about everyone else. That's the insularity I dislike.
I must clarify, I didn't mean people on foot.ie in general and I didn't want it to come across like that. I'm one of them FFS!!
**** me though..
I did just read through that IrishKop forum and these people are troubled.
Ah one thing you have to remember though... they're all Toxteth and Bootle born-and-bred!!
You're probably referring to Boh_so_good and the "Identity Crisis FC" thread. Yes it was over the top and it was a jibe at premiership fans, but I think it was more in reaction to everyone in Ireland declaring their undying love for sunderland just because keano was manager. Where are they now eh?
Look it, I think we are on the same lines anyway. I'm watching Spurs V Newcastle at the moment and its a good game. I'm also a spurs fan for my troubles. But I'd much prefer City or Ireland to win a game before a club in london.
But you are right, there are people who take the anti-prem thing too far, but I think most of it is directed at people like those on IrishKop.com and whatever the man u version is.
In fairness, how many people have even commented on this thread? The first few posts were just commenting on my drunkard state.
I think some of this animosity from some LOI supporters is born from the fact that we're portrayed by our mainstream media as 'a great sporting nation' 'huge soccer fans' etc. etc., when in reality most are just sheep attracted to the bright lights and glitz across the water.
I for one love English football as a spectacle, but i have no alleigence to it no more than I do for the Bolivian Premier League.
Nail on the head. Its not just soccer. Look for munster rugby attendances pre 1995 for more evidence.
True...
having actually looked through that irishKop thread I take it all back though!!
That was awful.
Anyway, I'm off to enjoy some sun and perhaps kick a ball myself.
Good luck
There is a bloke who comes on here. His name sounds like a Welsh penis.
That's it really.
Yes that's all I was saying and I said it brilliantly. It is a shame you had to explain the irony to HarlechVagina but thanks anyways.
It's hardly an obsession. Most people on this forum care about their clubs, and by extension, the league. And one of the most pressing issues the league faces is the lack of support of their own country's teams by thousands of so-called football fans in this country. They're absolutely entitled to follow who they like, but I'm also entitled to regard them as easily-led, lazy, glory-hunting, hypocritical barstoolers. Which I do.
Music and films aren't tribal though are they? They don't exactly have supporters. They have fans.
A partisan instead of a purist? Since when have football fans been purists? Surely football is about the passion, the support and the pursuit of victory? Otherwise why not just cut the Premiership down to 8 clubs and do away with every other club in England and Ireland, sure all us football fans care about is a team that plays 'good' football.And why should we have 'two thoughts in our head?' By all means admire Arsenal's passing, Manchester United's dominance or Chelsea's resiliance, but why do you have to ''support'' them as well as your local team? Surely the feeling you get when your local team does well trumps these anyway?
I'm honestly not trying to have a go, but how can any football fan say something like, "it would reveal you as a partisan instead of a purist?" It just so completely misses the point of being a football fan.
Spot on. We are. You (not you personally btw) can travel twice a year to see Celtic play, you can watch every United game in the pub or you can buy all the Liverpool merchandise you can afford, but you are less a football supporter than those of us who make the journey to see our local sides play week in and week out either instead of or as well as watching the Premiership. It's as simple as that. Call it arrogance, call it insularity, or call it moral superiority if you want but it's the truth.
Last edited by thischarmingman; 19/04/2009 at 6:41 PM.
any chance of a barstool thread sticky to report if you witnessed or heard any benal barstool sayings.I could basically link to the whole of Irishkop as a starter.
just to say, the thing i hate is people dismissing and ignoring the league, ok so you realise you don't have the personality to sing for an entire game or stand up for one but for feck sake would ya ever just show some interest and stop being so pathetic with this plastic devotion for non-irish(more often than not english) clubs.
on irishkop one thread talks about ath.madrid fans, and some plastic talks about how he exchanged merchandise with an athletico fan, i asked would the Ath. Madrid fan not find it slightly odd that he was swapping shirts with a person not from liverpool whether they be from Oslo, Kerry or Beijing? got no straight reply to that one.
imagine bohs or something met liverpool in the champions league next season and you were outside a pub in dublin city and some guy from cork or dublin comes up to you asking to swap your jersey for his liverpool one. you'd be fairly confused right? i know i would
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