Cork City Future.

**Schumi** · 12/04/2009, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bald Student

Will there be 2 automatic promotion places so?

I'd say there'd be no automatic relegation. Cork would effectively finish bottom if they didn't finish the season.

Shouldn't concern us anyway if we keep going as we are

**Maynard** · 12/04/2009, 1:26 PM

This is a total sham. I feel VERY sorry for the hardcore fans - but it shows was a DISGRACE the FAI are. Look what happened to Cobh. If Cork don't go EXACTLY the same way then there is no justice. UCD and Finn Harps have been royally shafted on this. And to think the FAI wanted to hold Cork up as a model club and were bending over backwards to keep them in Europe

THAT makes me sick.

**pineapple stu** · 12/04/2009, 1:28 PM

The FAI held up Drogheda and Bohs as model clubs. The FAI are idiots. But we all know that anyway.

Am I right in thinking that it was on here before that FORAS haven't paid a penny over to the club? At least, if the worst comes to the worst (Dodge is correct that it's only a rumour so far), there should be a small kitty to start anew. They'd be better off like that, it seems. Although that'd be in the A League, I assume? Reprieve for Kildare again?

**LeixlipRed** · 12/04/2009, 1:30 PM

Is the jolly fat man with a wad of (invisible) cash still the only model of club ownership considered viable by the FAI? Or will proper business practice win through. Answers on a postcard to Jolly Fat Man Ranch, Abbotstown, Dublin 15.

**LeixlipRed** · 12/04/2009, 1:31 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Reprieve for Kildare again?

The Kildare masterplan to get relegated out of existance is failing miserably

**pineapple stu** · 12/04/2009, 1:34 PM

Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

Is the jolly fat man with a wad of (invisible) cash still the only model of club ownership considered viable by the FAI?

Damn right. The FAI almost seem to be pursuing the Champions' League qualification route themselves. Or at least actively encouraging it. Ridiculous.

The recession's giong to really shake the league about a bit, I think.

**marty** · 12/04/2009, 2:09 PM

Cork really needs to be a members run club they have enough fans up there to keep something going,although Im sure not even Cobh fans will take any heart from their demise many here and afar new what Tom C is about hes a pure bluffer and chancer.If 1000 Cork fans paid even a �5 a head per week on top of gate receipts it would see them through for the season.History will always repeat itself and its one Cork club after another folding through the years,UCD are really the only model club the premier division has seen the last few years.

**amaccann** · 12/04/2009, 2:24 PM

Every time you think the league might just get its affairs in order, this kind of thing happens. The club as a business is a joke & no sympathy can be held for the business, but as a football club, a hub of social & cultural development for the community, and as a source of proof that an Irish club can pull in the punters, this is devastating news. I feel sorry for the players & fans, they hardly deserve this.

You sometimes wonder if indeed senior soccer in this country is at all possible

**ndrog** · 12/04/2009, 2:58 PM

Originally Posted by marty

Cork really needs to be a members run club they have enough fans up there to keep something going,although Im sure not even Cobh fans will take any heart from their demise many here and afar new what Tom C is about hes a pure bluffer and chancer.If 1000 Cork fans paid even a �5 a head per week on top of gate receipts it would see them through for the season.History will always repeat itself and its one Cork club after another folding through the years,UCD are really the only model club the premier division has seen the last few years.

Thats a very sad fact re ucd considering they mean nothing to the community there based in or the collage students that ignore them completely

our best run club is a complete irrelevance .

**Maynard** · 12/04/2009, 3:04 PM

Originally Posted by ndrog

Thats a very sad fact re ucd considering they mean nothing to the community there based in or the collage students that ignore them completely

our best run club is a complete irrelevance .

Sad but true. Wouldn't be the case if the FAI encouraged the proper running of clubs in that mold rather than closing their eyes and fudging the facts every time a big club (bar Shels) have disastrous money problems brought about by greed.

**Cosmo** · 12/04/2009, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by ndrog

Thats a very sad fact re ucd considering they mean nothing to the community there based in or the collage students that ignore them completely

our best run club is a complete irrelevance .

Regardless, the league needs well run clubs, not clubs overspending and going t!ts up (like weve done on more than 1 occassion)

Monaghan is another example of how to run a club properly - just a shame they cant get the people of the town out in numbers to support them

The league is on its knees and I think everyone is just waiting for the inevitable with bohs too

even if the cork story is bullsh!t, I'd be surprised if they went through the season wihtout more financial trouble - the figures dont add up - as I asked on here a few weeks ago, how the f*** can they outbid other premier division teams on full time players and stay full time when with the country in so much s***, the knock on effects of less sponsorship, decrease in gates,etc - and no serious income from their supporters club

**Cici900** · 12/04/2009, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by Maynard

Sad but true. Wouldn't be the case if the FAI encouraged the proper running of clubs in that mold rather than closing their eyes and fudging the facts every time a big club (bar Shels) have disastrous money problems brought about by greed.

Another example of one rule for one club and another for a different club

**Rovers fan** · 12/04/2009, 3:16 PM

It's an absolute farce that cobh got demoted and cork didn't. Give a crap if the league needs a strong cork, it's simply unfair that cobh were treated differently just because cork are perceived to be important.

**RoversHead** · 12/04/2009, 3:17 PM

I think there is a future for football in cork based on the size of city`s home support but just like everywhere else wages of players must be realistic and reflect the clubs turnover.If you look at the attendance at Bohs v Pats on saturday about 200 pats fans and a far from full jodi then tot up the wage bill on the pitch it paints a ridiculous picture of a league that is in a state of utter denial.Foras are the key to sustainable football in cork not another carpet bagger and I wish them the very best in the tough battles ahead of them.I wonder how long it will be before the bullit has to be bitten in Inchicore.

**OneRedArmy** · 12/04/2009, 3:19 PM

Originally Posted by Maynard

Sad but true. Wouldn't be the case if the FAI encouraged the proper running of clubs in that mold rather than closing their eyes and fudging the facts every time a big club (bar Shels) have disastrous money problems brought about by greed.

I don't disagree with the thrust of what you're getting at but I'd be interested to know how you think the FAI could do this?

As an example, when they last actively involved themselves with a club (effectively ending Limerick City as an entity because of its association with Danny Drew) there were howls of protests that the FAi were playing God.

What I really want to know is what has happened between Cork's 2009 budget being approved by the FAI and now.

**pineapple stu** · 12/04/2009, 3:36 PM

I think part of the complaints about the Limerick situation was that it was seen to be a personal vendetta against Danny Drew in particular, not about trying to improve the finances of Limerick as a club.

If all this is true, then presumably tax has been going unpaid in recent months. It seems that's a common trend with many clubs getting into trouble - clubs basically using non-payment of tax as a cash flow. How about a sliding scale penalty if clubs miss a monthly P30 payment? It'd be complicated to work (a warning the first time, fine the second, points deduction the third time, reset each February, say), but is a starter idea for ten anyway.

**Maynard** · 12/04/2009, 3:48 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I don't disagree with the thrust of what you're getting at but I'd be interested to know how you think the FAI could do this?

As an example, when they last actively involved themselves with a club (effectively ending Limerick City as an entity because of its association with Danny Drew) there were howls of protests that the FAi were playing God.

What I really want to know is what has happened between Cork's 2009 budget being approved by the FAI and now.

Well the cut and thrust of it is; That IF the FAI could make, what was effectively, a snap decision based on Cobh's books at the end of the 2008 season, and see it fit to demote them TWO leagues(EDIT: To the A Championship); How in the name of God can it be justified that Cork City, where the dogs in the street knew about the massive issues regarding staff payment towards the end of that self-same season, were granted a Premier Division license?

The manner in which the top (br)ass in the FAI stood squarely behind CCFC when it appeared as if they were coming apart at the seams, lauded the way they were "open and honest" about their, ahem, shortcomings in the wage department; and were ADAMANT that Cork would represent Ireland in Europe in 2009 is nothing short of astounding. And as someone who actually cares about the league and wants to see a STRONG LEAGUE, not a "strong X, Y or Z" built on foundations of sand - it makes me sick at their behaviour - and it makes me angry at the affront it is to those who make an honest effort to keep this sham of a league on the life-support that it is currently relying upon.

**pineapple stu** · 12/04/2009, 3:49 PM

Originally Posted by Maynard

Well the cut and thrust of it is; That IF the FAI could make, what was effectively, a snap decision based on Cobh's books at the end of the 2008 season, and see it fit to demote them TWO leagues

Cobh were demoted one league; they were relegated the other one all by themselves.