GAA and soccer club in dispute

[osarusan]

Expect to see more incidents of ignorant Nazi pigfukery like the one in Castlemaine as this dying beast lashes out in its death screams.

This made me burst out laughing!! Love it!

[reder]

Football is taking over in this country as sport goes. I know many of you here will comment on how youngsters are veering towards clubs outside Ireland in terms of loyalty and im my opinion thats not a good thing but lets leave that to one side for one moment and look at the development of the game.

For me, fear amongst the rank and file members of the GAA is at the source of actions like those in that news piece, which I am assuming are true as they have been backed up by ramblers and other users. Throughout the country, more and more youngsters are playing football as opposed to GAA sports. It was always very evident in Dublin that football was the primary sport but now it has spread nationwide.

The levels to which GAA members sink to in order to prevent youngsters playing football never ceases to amaze me. These people dont have the concept of sport being good for youngster, at heart. They only want youngsters playing their sports. All the other sporting organisations in this country, encourage children to play other sports.

As more and more of these incidents are reported, more people will start to turn away from the GAA. I dont understand why more of the national papers dont print stories like this. Why dont tv3 do a 1 hour documentary on Hill16 when the Dubs are playing? From what I have been told by some of my work colleagues, it would be far more "shocking" than the tripe they produced on the EL.

[Kildareman]

This has been happening for years in every community in the land.
Its the norm for the local GAA clubs to take control of community grounds and take them as their own.
They built their clubhouses and then put locks on the gates.
Whats new????

[Lionel Ritchie]

This made me burst out laughing!! Love it!

+1.

There is much about everything I disagree with BSG upon ...but sometimes he uses that tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.



By the way ...isn't it time this thread was moved as it's little to directly do with the LoI? It's easily worthy of Current Affairs ...or World Football

[Jinxy]

Thing is, if you read between the lines of the current GAA financial report they are facing bankrupcy when the soccer and rugby leave Croke Park and apart form concerts they have almost no cast-iron revenue stream.

Irish people are drinking less booze and the GAA is highly dependent on gargle money, coupled with the fact many local GAA clubs and branches are broke from decades of committes lining their own pockets and it all being hushed up. There is also no public money to really for them any more. AIB giving them more money! Yeah right...

So the only future for the GAA is a massive restructuring towards a slimmed down auster oraganisation and this will take away their power in the community. The GAA is and always has been a Political/Religious organisation which occasionally dabbles in sport. They cannot survive without implementing their dogmatic social controls bullying tactics on small rural communities anymore. They are no longer the only game in town.

Expect to see more incidents of ignorant Nazi pigfukery like the one in Castlemaine as this dying beast lashes out in its death screams.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7962884.stm

http://www.science.ulster.ac.uk/spor.../d.hassan.html

[OneRedArmy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7962884.stm

http://www.science.ulster.ac.uk/spor.../d.hassan.html

....was wondering when the official foot.ie GAA Assimilation Officer would add to the thread.

Nothing to see here, move along now everyone....

[Boh_So_Good]

Do you think the GAA actually understand the concept of Irish citizenship?

Personally I think a lot of the social-economic problems and waste in the public sector in this country are caused by GAA jersey-ism. In that the GAA has created a certain psychology in parts of Ireland were the population do not see themselves as Irish at all, but rather citizens of their GAA county colours.

This is why you get headcase stuff like airports in Knock and railway lines opening in the middle of nowhere while Dublin still has neither a Metro nor and Underground DART line.

It's all rooted in the GAA county-colourisms. The very ethos of the organisation is a declaration of war on National citizenship and National identity.

[Jinxy]

....was wondering when the official foot.ie GAA Assimilation Officer would add to the thread.

Nothing to see here, move along now everyone....

If ya can turn a fella G.A.Y.............

[OneRedArmy]

If ya can turn a fella G.A.Y.............

I didn't think they allowed that in the GAA? Surely its another reason for a good auld fashioned baytin'?

[SligoBrewer]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7962884.stm

http://www.science.ulster.ac.uk/spor.../d.hassan.html

UUJ is one of the gah strongholds in the country. Hardly objective in fairness.

[pete]

The group argues that the sportsfield was originally handed over to the general community by the Spring Walker family in 1936, had always been a community field and had merely been placed in the trust of the GAA. They point to carnivals, community fairs, sheep shearing, dog shows, tennis and basketball events held in the sportsfield to support their claim.

I would guess this is very common across the country.

The more this happens the more the GAA will lose in the long run.

Re: Croke Park. When the FAI & IRFU leave GAA revenue will drop 12m the next full year. They can't even get FAS conferences in Croke Park any more either.

[Jinxy]

I would guess this is very common across the country.

The more this happens the more the GAA will lose in the long run.

Re: Croke Park. When the FAI & IRFU leave GAA revenue will drop 12m the next full year. They can't even get FAS conferences in Croke Park any more either.

It was only ever going to be a temporary revenue stream so I'm not sure why people are making this out to be some sort of disaster. I think the association will manage to avoid financial ruin for a few years yet. The outstanding debt on the stadium will be completely paid off pretty soon. At this point a lesser man than me would no doubt draw your attention to the FAI and their sterling efforts to finance the redeveloped LR. But that's not my style.

[Sheridan]

The first act of the new government should be to nationalise Croke Park, put the naming rights out to tender, freeze all grants to the GAA and instigate an immediate and wide-ranging tribunal into the links between government and funding of the organisation over the past twenty years.

[dcfcsteve]

Do you think the GAA actually understand the concept of Irish citizenship?

Personally I think a lot of the social-economic problems and waste in the public sector in this country are caused by GAA jersey-ism. In that the GAA has created a certain psychology in parts of Ireland were the population do not see themselves as Irish at all, but rather citizens of their GAA county colours.

This is why you get headcase stuff like airports in Knock and railway lines opening in the middle of nowhere while Dublin still has neither a Metro nor and Underground DART line.

It's all rooted in the GAA county-colourisms. The very ethos of the organisation is a declaration of war on National citizenship and National identity.

You're starting to lose the plot here a bit BSG.

Ireland is far too centralised a country as it is, without lumping even more in Dublin than the rest of the country.

[WexCar]

Do you think the GAA actually understand the concept of Irish citizenship?

Personally I think a lot of the social-economic problems and waste in the public sector in this country are caused by GAA jersey-ism. In that the GAA has created a certain psychology in parts of Ireland were the population do not see themselves as Irish at all, but rather citizens of their GAA county colours.

This is why you get headcase stuff like airports in Knock and railway lines opening in the middle of nowhere while Dublin still has neither a Metro nor and Underground DART line.

It's all rooted in the GAA county-colourisms. The very ethos of the organisation is a declaration of war on National citizenship and National identity.

????????????

[Jinxy]

UUJ is one of the gah strongholds in the country. Hardly objective in fairness.

I think its a bit unfair to label him as a gah man just because he's from UUJ.
Look at his list of publications.
There is more soccer than GAA research.

[Big Chief]

It is interesting to note the number of people on here branding the G.A.A. "bigots" and then proceeding to spew unrelenting bile about the Association.

As an avid Finn Harps fan and a playing member of the G.A.A. in Tyrone I have a foot in both camps so to speak. Rather than continually attacking the G.A.A., I believe domestic football could learn a lot from the way that the G.A.A. involve people in the game from a very young age and instill a sense of pride and commitment in them towards the organisation and its games.

Some of the comments to the effect that the G.A.A. put little or no effort into the youth and children are absolute nonsense. In Tyrone youngsters receive regular coaching both in primary schools and their clubs from the age of 6 or 7 years old.

Accordingly my advice would be, rather than berate the G.A.A. perhaps domestic soccer could learn a lot from it!

[dcfcsteve]

It is interesting to note the number of people on here branding the G.A.A. "bigots" and then proceeding to spew unrelenting bile about the Association.

As an avid Finn Harps fan and a playing member of the G.A.A. in Tyrone I have a foot in both camps so to speak. Rather than continually attacking the G.A.A., I believe domestic football could learn a lot from the way that the G.A.A. involve people in the game from a very young age and instill a sense of pride and commitment in them towards the organisation and its games.

Some of the comments to the effect that the G.A.A. put little or no effort into the youth and children are absolute nonsense. In Tyrone youngsters receive regular coaching both in primary schools and their clubs from the age of 6 or 7 years old.

Accordingly my advice would be, rather than berate the G.A.A. perhaps domestic soccer could learn a lot from it!

I think most fair-minded people on here would agree with you that there is a lot to learn from the GAA.

However - the GAA isn't being attacked here for no reason. Instead - it's because sections within that organisation are stuck in the 19th Century and actively do their best to prevent the spread and growth of 'soccer' in Ireland. Even going to extreme measures such as ploughing-up a football pitch in the middle of the night, or going through court to try to undermine the Tallaght stadium.

There is no requisite attempt by supporters or administrators in Irish soccer to undermine the GAA - the effort is all one-sided here. Hence the bile that is directed their way.

Whilst soccer does indeed have much to learn from the GAA, the GAA also has much to learn from the civilised world in terms of copping itself the fcuk on and not thinking it, the church and DeValera run the country any more. When that happens, I suspect you'll find the flow of bile strangely dries up.

(a size 5 ball, for the record).

[Lionel Ritchie]

Nice speech bc. Completely sidestepped the topic mind but still...

Accordingly my advice would be, rather than berate the G.A.A. perhaps domestic soccer could learn a lot from it!

Learn from it? Like how to plough a field at night? I suppose Mick Wallace might loan some portable floodlights ...but I dunno if he'd have a tractor or a plough.

[osarusan]

It is interesting to note the number of people on here branding the G.A.A. "bigots" and then proceeding to spew unrelenting bile about the Association.

Accordingly my advice would be, rather than berate the G.A.A. perhaps domestic soccer could learn a lot from it!

Agreed on both parts I've quoted.

I think most fair-minded people on here would agree with you that there is a lot to learn from the GAA.

Agreed again.


But, as DCFC Steve says -

However - the GAA isn't being attacked here for no reason. Instead - it's because sections within that organisation are stuck in the 19th Century and actively do their best to prevent the spread and growth of 'soccer' in Ireland. Even going to extreme measures such as ploughing-up a football pitch in the middle of the night, or going through court to try to undermine the Tallaght stadium.

There are a few posters on here who are ready to defend the GAA, and they do a pretty good job of showing over-the-top comments as being over the top.

But, like the posts of Big Chief and Jinxy above, they often sidestep the main topic of the thread - which is in this case the ploughing of a pitch to stop it being used for "soccer" games. I'd hope that the two posters I have mentioned, as well as commending the GAA for their efforts in general, would give us their opinions of the main point of the thread. Do they feel it was wrong? Childish? Or do they support the action?