McShane must go!

**tetsujin1979** · 01/04/2009, 11:00 PM

It's hard to call who was more at fault for the Italy goal. McShane is clearly tracking his marker, who drags him out of position. Keogh lets his man free on the overlap. Should Keogh track his man, or stay with the player in possession? Should McShane stay in position, or track his marker?

**fergalr** · 01/04/2009, 11:00 PM

Rediculous thread. Call yourself a supporter?

**noddy102** · 01/04/2009, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by fergalr

Rediculous thread. Call yourself a supporter?

What is wrong with wanting a player so poor to be dropped, especially when there is talent like Foley available. Give the man a chance against Nigeria.

**fergalr** · 01/04/2009, 11:08 PM

Fine - then post a thread called "give Foley a run against Nigeria".

**SwanVsDalton** · 01/04/2009, 11:22 PM

McShane was poor tonight. Regardless of who was at fault for the goal, Grosso destroyed him during the entire first half. Even after Italy had essentially stopped attacking and were merely lobbing balls over the top of McShane's head to Grosso who was simply running in tramlines. Grosso's a great attacking left back but come on - it's full back 101 to defend those situations and he got it wrong repeatedly.

But he did fairly well in the second like much of the team. He's a liability though. Stephen Kelly had a stinker against Georgia but he's a much more natural - and talented - full back. Poor form or no Kelly would have shackled Grosso at least a little bit.

And even more crucially Kelly is a proper attacking outlet. McShane was game for getting forward but the last time he seen a decent cross was at mass. Thankfully Trap spotted it and switched O'Shea, a slight attacking improvement.

**tetsujin1979** · 01/04/2009, 11:26 PM

Grosso was completely negated by Stephen Hunt in the second half, he clearly didn't know how to handle the Reading winger

**Maroon 7** · 01/04/2009, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

It's hard to call who was more at fault for the Italy goal. McShane is clearly tracking his marker, who drags him out of position. Keogh lets his man free on the overlap. Should Keogh track his man, or stay with the player in possession? Should McShane stay in position, or track his marker?

Only one choice to make. The player he was tracking was running away from goal. Grosso was running in behind him. At that stage he had to leave the player and track Grosso who was the immediate threat.

That said Keogh should never have let Grosso run free like that but McShane was guilty of player watching.

**tetsujin1979** · 01/04/2009, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Maroon 7

Only one choice to make. The player he was tracking was running away from goal. Grosso was running in behind him. At that stage he had to leave the player and track Grosso who was the immediate threat.

So, McShane leaves Brighi (who is making a run to the corner of the penalty area) to watch Grosso. Since Grosso is being watched by McShane. Brighi receives the ball and crosses/shoots from the edge of the area. McShane gets criticism for tracking the obvious decoy Grosso, when Brighi is clearly a greater goalscoring threat

**eirebhoy** · 01/04/2009, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

It's hard to call who was more at fault for the Italy goal. McShane is clearly tracking his marker, who drags him out of position. Keogh lets his man free on the overlap. Should Keogh track his man, or stay with the player in possession? Should McShane stay in position, or track his marker?

tbh the only reason we even think of blaming McShane for Grosso getting into that position is because McShane is the right back. But as you say McShane was marking their left midfielder Brighi. He can't stop marking him in that position until the pass is made. Grosso is the left back. It's up to Keogh to cover for Grosso's run forward in this situation.

Obviously a bit of blame can be put on McShane for allowing Grosso get the pass for the goal.

The incident:
http://www.zshare.net/video/5805590105cf6ecb/

I actually have a feeling Keogh is playing some sort of offside trap on line with McShane, forgetting there's defenders behind them. Just inexperience.

**noddy102** · 01/04/2009, 11:46 PM

So if we excuse Mc**** for the goal, cane we excuse him for the other handful of incidents where they got in behind him on the left wing during the first half?

Was it just coincidental that Trap moved him to centre half for O'Shea?

If you guys think you can put McShane's inability to position himself properly down to a simple error of tracking back by Keogh then you have serious issues that need dealing with. MC**** IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Squad player without a doubt, but he is a liability when we need to rely on him.

**Colbert Report** · 02/04/2009, 1:09 AM

how ****ed off would you be if you were mcshane? he was having a great year with hull, starting almost all their matches. he hasn't played a minute of premiership football since january 27. why did sunderland recall him? i'm assuming because they feared relegation and wanted hull to drop points and ultimately join them in the relegation fight? doesn't make any sense.

**OwlsFan** · 02/04/2009, 8:29 AM

McShane can not be in two positions at the same time. The video clearly shows him tracking his own man while Keogh lets his man make the run in to the penalty area. McShane actually gets back to Grosso but doesn't stop the cross but who was supposed to be marking the scorer? Man of the Match Dunne ? No mention of this.

Fantastic display by the team against the world champions on their own patch. Great result and almost a win. Oh, if only that last chance had gone in.

**macdermesser** · 02/04/2009, 8:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Legend

He probably would, he's a miserable 'ol b*stard!

saw him in Jury's before the Bulgaria game .. saw Keith Fahey too at the bar. Impressed that they made the effort to come over and watch the game and that they are fans too at the end of the day.

**the doc** · 02/04/2009, 9:17 AM

Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

McShane was poor tonight. Regardless of who was at fault for the goal, Grosso destroyed him during the entire first half. Even after Italy had essentially stopped attacking and were merely lobbing balls over the top of McShane's head to Grosso who was simply running in tramlines. Grosso's a great attacking left back but come on - it's full back 101 to defend those situations and he got it wrong repeatedly.

But he did fairly well in the second like much of the team. He's a liability though. Stephen Kelly had a stinker against Georgia but he's a much more natural - and talented - full back. Poor form or no Kelly would have shackled Grosso at least a little bit.

And even more crucially Kelly is a proper attacking outlet. McShane was game for getting forward but the last time he seen a decent cross was at mass. Thankfully Trap spotted it and switched O'Shea, a slight attacking improvement.

So how many games has it took Clap Trapp to finally realise McShane isn't good enough!
How the hell does he keep getting picked?

We need a manger that is proactive not reactive!

**jmurphyc** · 02/04/2009, 11:06 AM

Wasn't it Keogh that actually gave away silly possession to start the move for the Italians? I haven't seen a full replay but that's what I initially thought. If that's the case then Keogh would be to blame for it more so than McShane.

**Stuttgart88** · 02/04/2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

McShane can not be in two positions at the same time. The video clearly shows him tracking his own man while Keogh lets his man make the run in to the penalty area. McShane actually gets back to Grosso but doesn't stop the cross but who was supposed to be marking the scorer? Man of the Match Dunne ? No mention of this.

Fantastic display by the team against the world champions on their own patch. Great result and almost a win. Oh, if only that last chance had gone in.

Fair enough. To me it looked like McShane was culpable but at very least Keogh gave the ball away far to cheaply. I wouldn't blame Dunne, it was a good cross ball. One of my favourite types of goal to watch.

I wa delighted last night, this morning I'm feeling "if only".

**dublinred** · 02/04/2009, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jicked

Say the_doc, is there anyone you could recommend as deserving a place in the squad? I'm lost for ideas as to other defenders who could fill in? Anyone at all spring to mind??

You must have been gutted when Robbie's goal went in?

Would recommend Seamus Coleman he is on the verge of a breakthrough to the first team squad at Everton if he can get a few first team games before the end of the season defo would consider him, he will be the next long term fullback for Ireland , another option would be to move mcgeady back there.

**Revies pitbull** · 02/04/2009, 11:58 AM

Hear hear, McShane was a waste of space last night..Liked the look of Folan as an attacking option though...

**Jicked** · 02/04/2009, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by londonred

Would recommend Seamus Coleman he is on the verge of a breakthrough to the first team squad at Everton if he can get a few first team games before the end of the season defo would consider him, he will be the next long term fullback for Ireland , another option would be to move mcgeady back there.

Well the point I was making was that the_doc only started this thread for one reason, to champion Mr St Ledger yet a-f**king-gain.

Coleman's not yet ready to play such a key position, I do like him having seen him often in the LoI, but we really have to stop talking about throwing in players with no experience in to big games or big situations. And putting McGeady in to right back is also a no-go.

**The Fly** · 02/04/2009, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by londonred

Would recommend Seamus Coleman he is on the verge of a breakthrough to the first team squad at Everton if he can get a few first team games before the end of the season defo would consider him, he will be the next long term fullback for Ireland , another option would be to move mcgeady back there.

Sweet Jesus - that's one of most ridiculous suggestions I've 'heard' in a long time!