McShane must go!

[RoversHead]

How mc shane makes a living playing football is beyond me we have better defenders in loi ,he gets roasted every time he plays premiership or international

[Razors left peg]

Im not a big fan of McShane.... but this thing of calling him Mc****e as some people have started doing is disgraceful.... This website hasnt become The Sun newspaper overnight has it???

[TheRealMuller]

i am just wondering how did some scout ever think McShane would ever make it as a man utd player???

[Dun Laoire]

Im not a big fan of McShane.... but this thing of calling him Mc****e as some people have started doing is disgraceful.... This website hasnt become The Sun newspaper overnight has it???

Totally agree. The guy is playing for his country with pride and can hold his head high as far as i'm concerned. What do people expect? Should he say "No I'm not good enough, pick someone else" when he gets selected? If you get called up to play, you play.

[irishfan86]

i am just wondering how did some scout ever think McShane would ever make it as a man utd player???

As a centre-half I think he can be decent. And he bagged a lot of goals off set pieces in youth level...if you can score off set pieces and you're anyway decent teams will give you every chance to succeed.

[carloz]

Christ lads some of you are going over board. Yes he is very very limited and is really not up to this level. But the lads gives blood and sweat and 110% effort. There is no need for the abuse of him

[irishultra]

Well the point I was making was that the_doc only started this thread for one reason, to champion Mr St Ledger yet a-f**king-gain.

Coleman's not yet ready to play such a key position, I do like him having seen him often in the LoI, but we really have to stop talking about throwing in players with no experience in to big games or big situations. And putting McGeady in to right back is also a no-go.

coleman should have been in the squad for the friendlies whe n he was playing for sligo

[tetsujin1979]

i am just wondering how did some scout ever think McShane would ever make it as a man utd player???

I saw him play against Switzerland for the U-21's and he was fantastic, the standout defender in the back four. The only other defender I remember from that night was Marcos Painter, he was ignoring everything he was being told to do and was playing his own game.
Ferguson said that McShane was a better defender at 19 than O'Shea was at the same time.

[The Bunk]

I saw him play against Switzerland for the U-21's and he was fantastic, the standout defender in the back four. The only other defender I remember from that night was Marcos Painter, he was ignoring everything he was being told to do and was playing his own game.
Ferguson said that McShane was a better defender at 19 than O'Shea was at the same time.

The second half of last nights game was a perfect example of McShane. When Italy resorted to booting the ball up field, he was very capable of clearing the ball and challenging for every header, as he does give it 110% (like every other irish player). But his technical ability and general awareness is extremely poor, which was evident when Italy were pushing for a goal. He was out of his depth against the Lyon full-back (even when double teaming against him with Koegh). He is not good enough for international football, or any top league, and never will be unfortunately!

Before the match, Dunphy said that our biggest problems are Grosso, and our own right side: Keogh and McShane! How right he was

[Den Perry]

Totally agree. The guy is playing for his country with pride and can hold his head high as far as i'm concerned. What do people expect? Should he say "No I'm not good enough, pick someone else" when he gets selected? If you get called up to play, you play.

I'm not his biggest fan(in fact in no way would i start him) but some of the abuse is a bit much. However, people are entitled to their opinions

[Paddy Garcia]

Overall I thought he had a decent game by his standards in that position (we know he's not a great attacker). He was 2 or 3 times more involved in the first half than Kilbane and I can't remember him misplacing a pass (pass, not cross). He's a weak link at full back though because of his pace, positioning in that position and the fact he's a poor attacker.

I just wish people would judge him seperately at full back and centre half. At one point Dunne missed a header completely. It went by McShane and the Italian had a decent chance but he also missed it. 3 players missed it. 2 Irish. But someone watching it with me puts all the blame on McShane.

I agree with the above posts that some of the abuse for a player doing his best is very poor form indeed. Unfortunately we are getting into a bit of a polarised position & this kind of post does not help.

Despite the fact that Kilbane is not a full back, in general the Italians left him alone - they had done their homework, understood that McShane is a poor footballer & exploited a very weak link to fantastic effect. I wish people could judge him on his performance. Apart from that it does a terrible disservice to Kilbane, surely you can see that he was only more involved cos a) the Italians targeted him as the weak link and b) they did not bother with him when he attacked as they knew he would waste it.

There is a reason that McShane does not play first team football & that is that he is not very good.

He has been at fault for a number of goals we have conceded and persistently presents golden chances to the opposition. In all my years watching the Irish team I can't think of a footballer who has struggled more (game after game after game) in the green shirt.

I dont really care what the motivation of the post originator is - he happens to be right.

[eirebhoy]

Despite the fact that Kilbane is not a full back, in general the Italians left him alone - they had done their homework, understood that McShane is a poor footballer & exploited a very weak link to fantastic effect. I wish people could judge him on his performance. Apart from that it does a terrible disservice to Kilbane, surely you can see that he was only more involved cos a) the Italians targeted him as the weak link and b) they did not bother with him when he attacked as they knew he would waste it.

I agree completely. He's not a right back.

[John83]

i am just wondering how did some scout ever think McShane would ever make it as a man utd player???

I saw him in the Milk Cup when he was 18 or 19. He really stood out as a great prospect.

[Paddy Garcia]

I agree completely. He's not a right back.

He's a centre back not a right back thats the problem,he has no speed

He has just as long a list of howlers at CB.

[irishfan86]

He's definitely a centre-half, and not a fullback.

Now, whether he's a good centre-half is really hard to say until he gets a run in that position.

Sure we can quote his two clean sheets with Hull in that position, but what about the 7 goals conceded against Everton when he played there while at Sunderland?

I'm not against him being a backup centre-half, but that should be his only role for us at this point.

[Maroon 7]

He's definitely a centre-half, and not a fullback.

Now, whether he's a good centre-half is really hard to say until he gets a run in that position.

He's not a good centre-half either although he can make a better fist of that position than FB.

[MikeBassett]

McShane is awful, if we qualify for the World Cup with him in the side it'll be a miracle. I'd even go as far to say that he'd struggle to get into some junior sides in Ireland. How he's getting thousands every week for playing soccer is beyond me anyway

[John83]

McShane is awful, if we qualify for the World Cup with him in the side it'll be a miracle. I'd even go as far to say that he'd struggle to get into some junior sides in Ireland. How he's getting thousands every week for playing soccer is beyond me anyway

Nonsense.

When he plays in the Fizzy-Pop Championship in England, he's a match winner in the sense that Dunne is for us - something all those calling for Foley and St Ledger and co. should keep in mind. He's been highly rated at every junior level, and I kind of doubt he's gone backwards since then. He's 23. If he gets regular football at any decent level, I'll bet he'll be considered quite a useful player for us inside of five years. Where the hell was Cunningham at 23? Dunne? Breen? Third in the Championship with Millwall, a fat joke of a Championship player, and an uncapped player at Peterborough United (what, third flight in England at the time?).

People have no patience and no perspective.

[NeilMcD]

I think the gist of your post is right. I think people seriously do not realise that the level you are playing at. I will always remember playing against a guy in a League match who played for a League of Ireland team about a year before. He looked useless for them but when he played us he looked like Maradona.

I dont think McShane should be in the team, esp at right back but he played very well in the Championship and played decent for Hull this season but he is not cut out for international football at this stage in my view.

[Razors left peg]

Nonsense.

When he plays in the Fizzy-Pop Championship in England, he's a match winner in the sense that Dunne is for us - something all those calling for Foley and St Ledger and co. should keep in mind. He's been highly rated at every junior level, and I kind of doubt he's gone backwards since then. He's 23. If he gets regular football at any decent level, I'll bet he'll be considered quite a useful player for us inside of five years. Where the hell was Cunningham at 23? Dunne? Breen? Third in the Championship with Millwall, a fat joke of a Championship player, and an uncapped player at Peterborough United (what, third flight in England at the time?).

People have no patience and no perspective.

Excellent post