The 2nd place qualifying table

[Sumac]

Maybe I'm missing something but how could losing to Montenegro in the last game result in them finishing bottom while winning would result in Georgia finishing bottom? This defies all known laws of mathematics and if that situation could occur I would agree that yes it is crazy.

Too early for mathematics - ignore my ravings - Late back from Bulgaria last night and still not fully recovered

[fionnsci]

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/worldcu...ws.asp?n=36539

Reassuring read there.

[fionnsci]

Croatia (5pts) reamaining games:
H Belarus 3pts
A Belarus 1pt
A England 0pts
A Kazakhstan 3pts

5+7=12

Scotland (7pts) remaining games:
A Norway 1pt
H Macedonia 3pts
H Netherlands 0pts

7+4=11

Northern Ireland (7pts) remaining games:
A Czech Republic 0pts
A Poland 1pt
H Slovakia 3pts

7+4=11

So 13 points should do us.

That's wins against Cyprus and Montenegro.

Or, if we only get 4 or 5 points from our last three games then we should hope that Georgia overtake Montenegro which will give us an extra two points in the table and give us 13/14.

All in all, I'm hopeful.

[pineapple stu]

Are there teams below those who could take over second, but with a better record?

[Dodge]

Poland could catch and pass the North. They're 3 points behind with a game in hand. Their last 4 are NI (h), Slovenia (a), Czech (a), Slovakia (h)

Chance the Czechs could catch NI too, but they're 5 points back with game in hand

[Gather round]

Chance the Czechs could catch NI too, but they're 5 points back with game in hand

In practice they're two points behind- the game in hand is against SMR. They'll win it at least 5-0.

[gspain]

Ukraine have a great shot at 2nd. In fact I fancy them to come 2nd in that group.

[swinfordfc]

Ukraine have a great shot at 2nd. In fact I fancy them to come 2nd in that group.

Exactly so forget about Croatia - if Ukraine win on wednesday night they go to 11pts and still have to play andorra twice!!!!

[EAFC_rdfl]

Exactly so forget about Croatia - if Ukraine win on wednesday night they go to 11pts and still have to play andorra twice!!!!

which will count for nothing as far as this discussion is concerned, right??

[pineapple stu]

It'll just cement their position as number two is all. Won't affect the number two table, but it means that looking at Croatia's rubbish total is probably irrelevant (hence my question earlier).

[gspain]

Here is some analysis and predictions up to and including tonight's results

My runners up table


Russia 8 6 1 1 9 3 19
France 8 5 2 1 7 6 17
Greece 8 5 1 2 12 4 16
Ukraine 8 4 3 1 10 4 15
Bosnia-Herzegovina 8 4 1 3 18 7 13
Republic of Ireland 8 3 4 1 7 4 13
Czech Republic 8 3 3 2 6 4 12
Norway 8 3 3 2 2 3 12
Sweden 8 2 5 1 2 1 11


My analysis and assumptions

13 points is the magic number. Bosnia may be OK if they only get 12 as they have a huge goal difference.

Forget Russia, France, Croatia/Ukraine and Greece. These groups are guaranteed a best runner up. Bosnia have a huge goal difference which will help them. They also have Spain home last match which is a dead game for Spain. 2 away wins in Estonia and Armenia will most likely do it unless Turkey can win in Sarajevo and Brussels.

I’m predicting 2 draws for Sweden/Portugal – Denmark A and Hungary A. Good chance the runner up here will be on 12 points or less. Both have already lost at home to Denmark but the Danes are virtually through now. Hungary have a chance here but I can’t see them beating Sweden and Portugal. If Sweden or Portugal win in Budapest (or Copenhagen) then the runner up goes to 13 which will probably be enough.

Czech Republic also requires a few calls such as a home win v Poland. Slovakia probably have enough to win the group now. The draw at home v Czech is needed but I’m allowing defeats at Northern Ireland and Poland. Northern Ireland could sneak in with a result in Prague or Poland but I fancy the big guns to get their act together in the Autumn.

Norway/Scotland is the also a likely worst runner up at this stage. I’m predicting Norway beating Scotland at home. I’m also giving them a win in Iceland. Scotland would need to win in Oslo or v Holland home to make 13 or draw both to make 12. The fact that this group finishs in September will help give other sides a target. A draw

A Georgia win in Montenegro would also boost Republic of Ireland as it would give us an extra 2 points. I think this is unlikely but in a dead match it could happen. We may need a goal difference swing too.

It is still way too early to tell in reality.


based on the following results and predictions

Note positions in group table are current ones. you can sort on final points predictions.

Group 1
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Denmark 10 7 3 0 12 2 24
Hungary 10 4 3 3 8 2 15
Portugal 10 4 5 1 6 3 17
Sweden 10 4 5 1 2 1 17
Albania 10 1 3 6 3 6 6
Malta 10 0 1 9 0 17 1


06/09/08 18:45 Tirana Albania 0:0 Sweden
06/09/08 19:45 Budapest Hungary 0:0 Denmark
06/09/08 20:00 Ta'Qali Malta 0:4 (0:1) Portugal
10/09/08 20:15 Solna Sweden 2:1 (0:0) Hungary
10/09/08 20:45 Lisbon Portugal 2:3 (1:0) Denmark
10/09/08 20:45 Tirana Albania 3:0 (1:0) Malta
11/10/08 19:45 Budapest Hungary 2:0 (0:0) Albania
11/10/08 20:00 Solna Sweden 0:0 Portugal
11/10/08 20:00 Copenhagen Denmark 3:0 (2:0) Malta
15/10/08 19:30 Ta'Qali Malta 0:1 (0:1) Hungary
15/10/08 20:45 Braga Portugal 0:0 Albania
11/02/09 19:30 Ta'Qali Malta 0:0 Albania
28/03/09 20:00 Ta'Qali Malta 0:3 (0:2) Denmark
28/03/09 20:30 Tirana Albania 0:1 (0:1) Hungary
28/03/09 20:45 Porto Portugal 0:0 Sweden
01/04/09 19:00 Budapest Hungary 3:0 (1:0) Malta
01/04/09 20:15 Copenhagen Denmark 3:0 (2:0) Albania
06/06/09 20:00 Solna Sweden 2 Denmark
06/06/09 20:45 Tirana Albania 2 Portugal
10/06/09 19:00 Gothenburg Sweden 1 Malta
05/09/09 TBA Denmark X Portugal
05/09/09 TBA Hungary X Sweden
09/09/09 TBA Malta 2 Sweden
09/09/09 TBA Hungary X Portugal
09/09/09 TBA Albania 2 Denmark
10/10/09 TBA Portugal 1 Hungary
10/10/09 TBA Denmark X Sweden
14/10/09 TBA Denmark 1 Hungary
14/10/09 TBA Portugal 1 Malta
14/10/09 TBA Sweden 1 Albania












Group 2
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Greece 10 7 1 2 12 4 22
Switzerland 10 8 1 1 11 6 25
Latvia 10 4 1 5 10 6 10
Israel 10 5 3 2 10 8 18
Luxembourg 10 1 1 8 3 13 4
Moldova 10 1 1 8 2 11 4


06/09/08 19:00 Tiraspol Moldova 1:2 (0:2) Latvia
06/09/08 20:15 Luxembourg Luxembourg 0:3 (0:2) Greece
06/09/08 20:55 Ramat Gan Israel 2:2 (0:1) Switzerland
10/09/08 20:30 Chisinau Moldova 1:2 (1:2) Israel
10/09/08 20:30 Zürich Switzerland 1:2 (1:1) Luxembourg
10/09/08 21:15 Riga Latvia 0:2 (0:1) Greece
11/10/08 17:45 St. Gall Switzerland 2:1 (0:0) Latvia
11/10/08 20:15 Luxembourg Luxembourg 1:3 (1:1) Israel
11/10/08 21:30 Piraeus Greece 3:0 (2:0) Moldova
15/10/08 19:00 Riga Latvia 1:1 (0:0) Israel
15/10/08 20:15 Luxembourg Luxembourg 0:0 Moldova
15/10/08 21:30 Piraeus Greece 1:2 (0:1) Switzerland
28/03/09 17:00 Luxembourg Luxembourg 0:4 (0:1) Latvia
28/03/09 18:45 Chisinau Moldova 0:2 (0:1) Switzerland
28/03/09 21:00 Ramat Gan Israel 1:1 (0:1) Greece
01/04/09 18:30 Riga Latvia 2:0 (1:0) Luxembourg
01/04/09 20:30 Geneva Switzerland 2:0 (1:0) Moldova
01/04/09 21:30 Heraklion Greece 2:1 (1:0) Israel
05/09/09 TBA Moldova 1 Luxembourg
05/09/09 TBA Switzerland 1 Greece
05/09/09 TBA Israel 1 Latvia
09/09/09 TBA Moldova 2 Greece
09/09/09 TBA Latvia 2 Switzerland
09/09/09 TBA Israel 1 Luxembourg
10/10/09 TBA Luxembourg 2 Switzerland
10/10/09 TBA Greece 1 Latvia
10/10/09 TBA Israel 1 Moldova
14/10/09 TBA Latvia 1 Moldova
14/10/09 TBA Switzerland 1 Israel
14/10/09 TBA Greece 1 Luxembourg





Group 3
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Northern Ireland 10 5 1 4 12 6 16
Slovakia 10 6 1 3 10 6 19
Poland 10 5 2 3 18 7 17
Czech Republic 10 5 3 2 6 4 18
Slovenia 10 4 3 3 5 4 15
San Marino 10 0 0 10 1 25 0


06/09/08 17:00 Wroclaw Poland 1:1 (1:1) Slovenia
06/09/08 17:30 Bratislava Slovakia 2:1 (0:0) Northern Ireland
10/09/08 19:45 Belfast Northern Ireland 0:0 Czech Republic
10/09/08 20:30 Serravalle San Marino 0:2 (0:1) Poland
10/09/08 20:45 Maribor Slovenia 2:1 (1:0) Slovakia
11/10/08 20:30 Chorzow Poland 2:1 (1:0) Czech Republic
11/10/08 20:30 Serravalle San Marino 1:3 (1:2) Slovakia
11/10/08 20:45 Maribor Slovenia 2:0 (0:0) Northern Ireland
15/10/08 17:30 Teplice Czech Republic 1:0 (0:0) Slovenia
15/10/08 19:45 Belfast Northern Ireland 4:0 (2:0) San Marino
15/10/08 20:30 Bratislava Slovakia 2:1 (0:0) Poland
19/11/08 20:30 Serravalle San Marino 0:3 (0:0) Czech Republic
11/02/09 20:30 Serravalle San Marino 0:3 (0:2) Northern Ireland
28/03/09 17:15 Belfast Northern Ireland 3:2 (1:1) Poland
28/03/09 20:45 Maribor Slovenia 0:0 Czech Republic
01/04/09 19:45 Belfast Northern Ireland 1:0 (0:0) Slovenia
01/04/09 20:30 Kielce Poland 10:0 (4:0) San Marino
01/04/09 20:30 Prague Czech Republic 1:2 (1:1) Slovakia
06/06/09 TBA Slovakia 1 San Marino
12/08/09 TBA Slovenia 1 San Marino
05/09/09 Szczecin Poland 1 Northern Ireland
05/09/09 TBA Slovakia X Czech Republic
09/09/09 TBA Northern Ireland 1 Slovakia
09/09/09 TBA Czech Republic 1 San Marino
09/09/09 TBA Slovenia X Poland
10/10/09 TBA Czech Republic 1 Poland
10/10/09 TBA Slovakia 1 Slovenia
14/10/09 TBA San Marino 2 Slovenia
14/10/09 TBA Czech Republic 1 Northern Ireland
14/10/09 TBA Poland 1 Slovakia



Group 4
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Germany 10 8 2 0 18 4 26
Russia 10 8 1 1 9 3 25
Finland 10 6 1 3 6 6 19
Wales 10 4 0 6 4 7 12
Azerbaijan 10 0 2 8 0 4 2
Liechtenstein 10 0 2 8 0 13 2


06/09/08 15:00 Cardiff Wales 1:0 (0:0) Azerbaijan
06/09/08 20:45 Vaduz Liechtenstein 0:6 (0:1) Germany
10/09/08 19:00 Moscow Russia 2:1 (1:0) Wales
10/09/08 20:35 Helsinki Finland 3:3 (2:2) Germany
10/09/08 21:00 Baku Azerbaijan 0:0 Liechtenstein
11/10/08 17:00 Helsinki Finland 1:0 (0:0) Azerbaijan
11/10/08 17:30 Cardiff Wales 2:0 (1:0) Liechtenstein
11/10/08 20:45 Dortmund Germany 2:1 (2:0) Russia
15/10/08 19:00 Moscow Russia 3:0 (1:0) Finland
15/10/08 20:45 Moenchengladbach Germany 1:0 (0:0) Wales
28/03/09 15:00 Cardiff Wales 0:2 (0:1) Finland
28/03/09 17:00 Moscow Russia 2:0 (1:0) Azerbaijan
28/03/09 20:00 Leipzig Germany 4:0 (2:0) Liechtenstein
01/04/09 19:30 Vaduz Liechtenstein 0:1 (0:1) Russia
01/04/09 19:45 Cardiff Wales 0:2 (0:1) Germany
06/06/09 19:00 Helsinki Finland 1 Liechtenstein
06/06/09 20:00 Baku Azerbaijan 2 Wales
10/06/09 20:30 Helsinki Finland 2 Russia
12/08/09 TBA Azerbaijan 2 Germany
05/09/09 TBA Azerbaijan 2 Finland
05/09/09 TBA Russia 1 Liechtenstein
09/09/09 TBA Wales 2 Russia
09/09/09 TBA Liechtenstein 2 Finland
09/09/09 TBA Germany 1 Azerbaijan
10/10/09 TBA Liechtenstein X Azerbaijan
10/10/09 TBA Finland 1 Wales
10/10/09 TBA Russia X Germany
14/10/09 TBA Germany 1 Finland
14/10/09 TBA Azerbaijan 2 Russia
14/10/09 TBA Liechtenstein 2 Wales

[gspain]

and other groups



Group 5
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Spain 10 10 0 0 13 2 30
Bosnia-Herzegovina 10 6 1 3 18 7 19
Turkey 10 4 4 2 6 5 16
Belgium 10 3 3 4 10 11 12
Estonia 10 1 2 7 5 15 5
Armenia 10 0 2 8 3 15 2

06/09/08 20:45 Liege Belgium 3:2 (1:0) Estonia
06/09/08 21:00 Yerevan Armenia 0:2 (0:0) Turkey
06/09/08 22:00 Murcia Spain 1:0 (0:0) Bosnia-Herzegovina
10/09/08 20:15 Zenica Bosnia-Herzegovina 7:0 (2:0) Estonia
10/09/08 21:00 Istanbul Turkey 1:1 (0:1) Belgium
10/09/08 22:00 Albacete Spain 4:0 (2:0) Armenia
11/10/08 20:45 Brussels Belgium 2:0 (2:0) Armenia
11/10/08 21:00 Istanbul Turkey 2:1 (0:1) Bosnia-Herzegovina
11/10/08 21:45 Tallinn Estonia 0:3 (0:2) Spain
15/10/08 20:15 Zenica Bosnia-Herzegovina 4:1 (2:0) Armenia
15/10/08 20:45 Brussels Belgium 1:2 (1:1) Spain
15/10/08 21:30 Tallinn Estonia 0:0 Turkey
28/03/09 20:00 Yerevan Armenia 2:2 (1:1) Estonia
28/03/09 20:45 Genk Belgium 2:4 (0:1) Bosnia-Herzegovina
28/03/09 22:00 Madrid Spain 1:0 (0:0) Turkey
01/04/09 18:00 Tallinn Estonia 1:0 (0:0) Armenia
01/04/09 20:45 Zenica Bosnia-Herzegovina 2:1 (2:0) Belgium
01/04/09 21:00 Istanbul Turkey 1:2 (1:0) Spain
05/09/09 TBA Armenia 2 Bosnia-Herzegovina
05/09/09 TBA Spain 1 Belgium
05/09/09 TBA Turkey 1 Estonia
09/09/09 TBA Spain 1 Estonia
09/09/09 TBA Armenia X Belgium
09/09/09 TBA Bosnia-Herzegovina X Turkey
10/10/09 TBA Estonia 2 Bosnia-Herzegovina
10/10/09 TBA Belgium X Turkey
10/10/09 TBA Armenia 2 Spain
14/10/09 TBA Estonia 2 Belgium
14/10/09 TBA Turkey 1 Armenia
14/10/09 TBA Bosnia-Herzegovina 2 Spain
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Group 6
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
England 10 9 1 0 16 4 28
Croatia 10 6 2 2 10 4 20
Ukraine 10 6 3 1 5 3 21
Belarus 10 4 0 6 9 6 12
Kazakhstan 10 1 1 8 6 16 4
Andorra 10 0 1 9 1 14 1


20/08/08 22:00 Almaty Kazakhstan 3:0 (3:0) Andorra
06/09/08 20:00 Lviv Ukraine 1:0 (0:0) Belarus
06/09/08 20:00 Barcelona Andorra 0:2 (0:0) England
06/09/08 20:15 Zagreb Croatia 3:0 (2:0) Kazakhstan
10/09/08 19:00 Andorra La Vella Andorra 1:3 (0:1) Belarus
10/09/08 21:00 Zagreb Croatia 1:4 (0:1) England
10/09/08 22:00 Almaty Kazakhstan 1:3 (0:1) Ukraine
11/10/08 17:15 London England 5:1 (0:0) Kazakhstan
11/10/08 20:00 Kharkov Ukraine 0:0 Croatia
15/10/08 20:15 Zagreb Croatia 4:0 (2:0) Andorra
15/10/08 21:30 Minsk Belarus 1:3 (1:1) England
01/04/09 20:02 London England 2:1 (1:0) Ukraine
01/04/09 20:30 Almaty Kazakhstan 1:5 (1:0) Belarus
01/04/09 20:30 Andorra La Vella Andorra 0:2 (0:2) Croatia
06/06/09 Zagreb Croatia X Ukraine
06/06/09 TBA Belarus 1 Andorra
06/06/09 21:00 Almaty Kazakhstan 2 England
10/06/09 Kyiv Ukraine 1 Kazakhstan
10/06/09 London England 1 Andorra
12/08/09 TBA Belarus 2 Croatia
05/09/09 TBA Croatia 1 Belarus
05/09/09 TBA Ukraine 1 Andorra
09/09/09 TBA England 1 Croatia
09/09/09 TBA Belarus 2 Ukraine
09/09/09 TBA Andorra X Kazakhstan
10/10/09 TBA Belarus 1 Kazakhstan
10/10/09 TBA Ukraine X England
14/10/09 TBA Kazakhstan 2 Croatia
14/10/09 TBA England 1 Belarus
14/10/09 TBA Andorra 2 Ukraine



Group 7
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Serbia 10 7 2 1 12 5 23
France 10 7 2 1 7 6 23
Lithuania 10 4 1 5 6 5 13
Austria 10 4 1 5 7 8 13
Romania 10 4 1 5 6 10 13
Faroe Islands 10 0 1 9 1 5 1

06/09/08 20:15 Belgrade Serbia 2:0 (1:0) Faroe Islands
06/09/08 20:45 Vienna Austria 3:1 (2:0) France
06/09/08 21:00 Cluj Romania 0:3 (0:1) Lithuania
10/09/08 17:30 Torshavn Faroe Islands 0:1 (0:0) Romania
10/09/08 20:30 Marijampole Lithuania 2:0 (0:0) Austria
10/09/08 21:00 Saint-Denis France 2:1 (0:0) Serbia
11/10/08 16:00 Torshavn Faroe Islands 1:1 (0:0) Austria
11/10/08 20:15 Belgrade Serbia 3:0 (2:0) Lithuania
11/10/08 21:40 Constanta Romania 2:2 (2:1) France
15/10/08 19:00 Kaunas Lithuania 1:0 (1:0) Faroe Islands
15/10/08 20:30 Vienna Austria 1:3 (0:3) Serbia
28/03/09 20:45 Constanta Romania 2:3 (0:2) Serbia
28/03/09 21:45 Kaunas Lithuania 0:1 (0:0) France
01/04/09 20:30 Klagenfurt Austria 2:1 (2:1) Romania
01/04/09 21:00 Saint-Denis France 1:0 (0:0) Lithuania
06/06/09 Kaunas Lithuania 2 Romania
06/06/09 Belgrade Serbia 1 Austria
10/06/09 19:15 Torshavn Faroe Islands 2 Serbia
12/08/09 TBA Faroe Islands 2 France
05/09/09 TBA Austria 1 Faroe Islands
05/09/09 TBA France 1 Romania
09/09/09 TBA Romania 1 Austria
09/09/09 TBA Serbia X France
09/09/09 TBA Faroe Islands 2 Lithuania
10/10/09 TBA Austria 1 Lithuania
10/10/09 TBA France 1 Faroe Islands
10/10/09 TBA Serbia 1 Romania
14/10/09 TBA Lithuania X Serbia
14/10/09 TBA Romania 1 Faroe Islands
14/10/09 TBA France 1 Austria
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Group 8
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Italy 10 8 2 0 9 3 26
Republic of Ireland 10 5 4 1 7 4 19
Bulgaria 10 4 5 1 5 3 17
Cyprus 10 1 3 6 4 7 6
Montenegro 10 1 5 4 3 6 9
Georgia 10 0 3 7 4 9 3

06/09/08 18:00 Mainz Georgia 1:2 (0:1) Republic of Ireland
06/09/08 20:00 Podgorica Montenegro 2:2 (0:1) Bulgaria
06/09/08 21:45 Larnaca Cyprus 1:2 (1:1) Italy
10/09/08 19:00 Podgorica Montenegro 0:0 Republic of Ireland
10/09/08 20:50 Udine Italy 2:0 (1:0) Georgia
11/10/08 20:30 Tbilisi Georgia 1:1 (0:0) Cyprus
11/10/08 21:15 Sofia Bulgaria 0:0 Italy
15/10/08 19:45 Dublin Republic of Ireland 1:0 (1:0) Cyprus
15/10/08 20:30 Tbilisi Georgia 0:0 Bulgaria
15/10/08 20:50 Lecce Italy 2:1 (2:1) Montenegro
11/02/09 19:45 Dublin Republic of Ireland 2:1 (0:1) Georgia
28/03/09 19:45 Dublin Republic of Ireland 1:1 (1:0) Bulgaria
28/03/09 20:00 Larnaca Cyprus 2:1 (1:0) Georgia
28/03/09 20:45 Podgorica Montenegro 0:2 (0:1) Italy
01/04/09 18:00 Sofia Bulgaria 2:0 (1:0) Cyprus
01/04/09 20:50 Bari Italy 1:1 (1:0) Republic of Ireland
01/04/09 21:00 Tbilisi Georgia 0:0 Montenegro
06/06/09 Larnaca Cyprus X Montenegro
06/06/09 20:30 Sofia Bulgaria X Republic of Ireland
05/09/09 TBA Cyprus 2 Republic of Ireland
05/09/09 TBA Bulgaria 1 Montenegro
05/09/09 TBA Georgia 2 Italy
09/09/09 TBA Italy 1 Bulgaria
09/09/09 TBA Montenegro X Cyprus
10/10/09 TBA Cyprus 2 Bulgaria
10/10/09 TBA Montenegro 1 Georgia
10/10/09 TBA Republic of Ireland 2 Italy
14/10/09 TBA Republic of Ireland 1 Montenegro
14/10/09 TBA Bulgaria 1 Georgia
14/10/09 TBA Italy 1 Cyprus



Group 9
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Netherlands 8 8 0 0 12 1 24
Scotland 8 3 1 4 4 6 10
Iceland 8 1 1 6 5 8 4
FYR Macedonia 8 2 1 5 2 7 7
Norway 8 3 3 2 2 3 12


06/09/08 15:00 Skopje FYR Macedonia 1:0 (1:0) Scotland
06/09/08 19:00 Oslo Norway 2:2 (1:1) Iceland
10/09/08 18:30 Reykjavik Iceland 1:2 (0:1) Scotland
10/09/08 20:30 Skopje FYR Macedonia 1:2 (0:0) Netherlands
11/10/08 15:00 Glasgow Scotland 0:0 Norway
11/10/08 20:45 Rotterdam Netherlands 2:0 (1:0) Iceland
15/10/08 18:00 Reykjavik Iceland 1:0 (1:0) FYR Macedonia
15/10/08 19:00 Oslo Norway 0:1 (0:0) Netherlands
28/03/09 20:45 Amsterdam Netherlands 3:0 (2:0) Scotland
01/04/09 20:00 Glasgow Scotland 2:1 (1:0) Iceland
01/04/09 20:45 Amsterdam Netherlands 4:0 (3:0) FYR Macedonia
06/06/09 Skopje FYR Macedonia X Norway
06/06/09 18:45 Reykjavik Iceland 2 Netherlands
10/06/09 Skopje FYR Macedonia 1 Iceland
10/06/09 20:45 Rotterdam Netherlands 1 Norway
12/08/09 TBA Norway 1 Scotland
05/09/09 Reykjavik Iceland 2 Norway
05/09/09 15:00 Glasgow Scotland 1 FYR Macedonia
09/09/09 TBA Scotland 2 Netherlands
09/09/09 TBA Norway 1 FYR Macedonia

[Delbertt]

Games of interest tonight

Group 6 Belarus v Croatia
Group 9 Norway v Scotland

If Norway win tonight group 9 will finish as worst runners up imo

[eirebhoy]

Scotland could still definitely win their last 2 home games so 13 points might be enough for them.

We're in very similar situations with Scotland probably having easier fixtures than us.

As for Croatia, I think Ukraine will get 2nd anyway.

[gspain]

Scotland could still definitely win their last 2 home games so 13 points might be enough for them.

We're in very similar situations with Scotland probably having easier fixtures than us.

As for Croatia, I think Ukraine will get 2nd anyway.

They could beat Holland but I doubt it.

Still a Norway win or draw is the best case for us tonight.

Scotland have done little in this group to impress.

[zenokelly]

They could beat Holland but I doubt it.

Still a Norway win or draw is the best case for us tonight.

Scotland have done little in this group to impress.

Scotland won't beat Holland. They are in the same state if not worse than we were under Stan. As for tonight, I would be surprised if they won. Expecting a draw, but if Norway win, I believe we'll be in the play-offs.(at least)

[Brendan 82]

Norway looking good for 3 points right now. 1-0 up and Scotlamd down to 10 men

[Umberside]

Get in 2-0

[Maroon 7]

3-0 and should be 4-0. Carew had the ball over the line and it wasn't given.

[bennocelt]

jesus Scotland were awful, but Carew was absolutely way off the pace, he would want to get fit pretty quick