QuoteDo we have any chnace of being in the top 4?
Think he said that it would be based on the final positions in the 2nd place table, top 4 v bottom 4 (excluding last place obviously).Originally Posted by elroy
Dunno if there's any truth in it, was the first I'd heard of it anyway.
Do we have any chnace of being in the top 4?
win last two games and were in most likely
If Germany qualify automatically and Portugal fail to qualify for the playoffs it may well be an open draw as of the likely 8 nations the only ones that FIFA would be concerned about would be France and Spain who should really be capable of beating any of the other qualifiers. They will be miracously kept apart with no need for seedings.
However if Germany and Portugal end up in the mix they will find some way of seeding Spain, France, Portugal and Germany. The method of seeding will be chosen to accomodate the required result
Fair Play died Nov 18th 2009, Stade Francais.
Why would FIFA want to demote Spain into it? They've booked their flights already.If Germany qualify automatically and Portugal fail to qualify for the playoffs it may well be an open draw as of the likely 8 nations the only ones that FIFA would be concerned about would be France and Spain who should really be capable of beating any of the other qualifiers. They will be miracously kept apart with no need for seedings.
However if Germany and Portugal end up in the mix they will find some way of seeding Spain, France, Portugal and Germany. The method of seeding will be chosen to accomodate the required result
This **** really annoys me. Every team knew the story at the beginning of the playoffs, and every team have had the same struggle to get into the playoffs. Why not just leave it at that instead of ****ing around with a seeding system. No doubt this will benefit France, but im sure that has nothing to do with Mr. Platini. Changing the system this far into qualifying is a joke
edit: this is for a world cup, i presume then its Blatters idea. Silly me
That doesn't necessarily mean that Platini doesn't have a big say. It is the UEFA jurisdiction of the WC qualifying afterall.This **** really annoys me. Every team knew the story at the beginning of the playoffs, and every team have had the same struggle to get into the playoffs. Why not just leave it at that instead of ****ing around with a seeding system. No doubt this will benefit France, but im sure that has nothing to do with Mr. Platini
edit: this is for a world cup, i presume then its Blatters idea. Silly me
You've got no fans.
How was the draw for the 2002 qual play offs made?
Looking at it, the 4 top teams played away first, though 2 of them failed to go through.
Belgium v Czech Rep
Ukraine v Germany
Austria v Turkey
Slovenia v Romania
For those of you interested (especially in the first match) the live Qualifiers on ESPN are:
Saturday
Russia v Germany (1600)
Denmark v Sweden (1900)
Wednesday
Germany v Finland (1700)
Denmark Sweden would be worth watching from an Irish pov as we want the swedes to finish second in that group and beneath us in the seedings.... we will prob need a draw in that game, with the swedes hammering albania in a shoot-out against the portuguese, who are at home to hungary saturday and Malta wednesday... portugal currently two points down, 10 5, GD +5, Sweden 9 3, GD +6
We need a Sweden win. Albania are decent now and much much better than Malta. Portugal will score what they need if it comes to a shootout.
We'll only get the see the first half of the Sweden match at most really. Delighted the Russian match is on earlier. Nobody seems to be covering Cyprus v Bulgaria, pity RTE didn't go for it.
It's a non event really. Bulgaria have as much chance of getting second as we have of getting top, it's not going to happen.
mmm maybe....
what we want to happen is this
group 1
who we want: sweden, not portugal
what we need: sweden win (or draw possibly, then sweden to win wednesday's shootout as outlined above) v denmark away on saturday, or alternatively portugal failing to beat hungary at home
likely outcome: clearer after saturday, probaby 50/50
group 2
who we want: latvia, not greece
greece latvia draw (then a wednesday shootout, with latvia finishing second on GD)
likely outcome: greece, though not by much
group 3
who we want: slovenia, not n ireland or czech rep
what we need: slovenia probably need a point away to slovakia (who themselves only need 1 point to qualify) on saturday then a truckload against san marino away on wednesday.... currently 2 points above Czech Republic, who are at home to N Ireland and Poland, with the same GD and above N Ireland on GD only
likely outcome: clearer after saturday, probaby 50/50 slovenia / czech rep (NI nowhere, as slovenia will win in san marino)
group 4: either germany or russia, either way top seeds
group 5
who we want: bosnia, not turkey
what we need: bosnia four points clear, GD 10 better, home to spain, away to estonia, who they beat 7-0 at home.... 2 points should be enough, though none might do it should turkey fail to beat belgium away on saturday.... little chance of turkey finishing second
likely outcome: bosnia
group 6
who we want: ukraine, not croatia
what we need: ukraine to beat england and go one point above croatia, then ukraine to win in andorra, assuming croatia win in kazakhstan
likely outcome: clearer after saturday, probablt slightly in croatia's favour, also likely ukraine will not fall beneath us in the rankings should they beat england and we don't beat italy
group 7
who we want: austria, not france
almost certainly france, barring a draw with the faroes at home and a defeat to austria at home, with austria also having to beat lithuania at home
likely outcome: france, also note austria could go above us in the rankings with a win in france
group 8
our group!
group 9
likely outcome: norway to finish bottom of second placed teams group. only teams who could conceivably finish lower are the group one teams and bosnia, though either of these outcomes is most unlikely.
hope that is clear!
Two defeats for Ireland and we could finish bottom of the 2nd place group, although if that happens Bulgaria would probably over take us.
Dont worry,you will beat us.
Vucinic will not play against you,if that helps somehow.
That does help. Is he injured?Dont worry,you will beat us
Vucinic will not play against you,if that helps somehow.
Any chance Jovetic could pick up a yellow card too on saturday? I think he needs to rest himself for some important champions league games coming up.
Thanks for the summary SuperDave. So realistically, we hope for Sweden, Latvia, Slovenia and Bosnia to come second in their respective groups. If this happens and we finish second, does that mean we'll be one of the top four seeds in the play-offs?
Yes, assuming Sweden don't pass us in the rankings....which is unlikely, especially if we beat Italy. Could be a big ask for Latvia though, need them to win in Greece on Saturday. They lost in Riga to them 2-0. If Greece finish second in that group then they will certainly be the top ranked team that we will want from the draw
No I doubt it - the top ranked teams are likely to be Russia, France, Portugal and Croatia.
Our chances of top seeding are pretty remote really as we cannot overtake any of the above.
The real concern should we get France or Portugal is the pressure on the referee knowing who FIFA want in the finals. They won't try and influence him but he will know and will be loathe to make a key decision against them unless absolutely sure.
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