I see an irrsponsible idiot doing his best to start troubles.
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Seriously? If you didnt know anything about the game or events would you say the same?Originally Posted by Sandro
Or are you attributing something you think could be there to an innocent photograph?
My first thought when Id seen what you'd posted was that you'd posted the wrong image because to me that photo looks like millions of others the world over from last weekend...
A little help... the irresponsible idiot is wearing green and appears on the right side of the photo
Now, find another one and post it here if you can. I am waiting...
Nvmqvam Deorsvm
Whaaaaaaaaaaat?
You must be taking the ****? Surely nobody actually thinks like this?
Tell me what Craigan is doing wrong then?
Not sure how to post images.
Here is a picture from our game last Friday against Bray, player celebrating with raised clenched fist
http://corkcityfc.ie/gallery/display...lbum=69&pos=12
I really dont see how else your photo could be interpreted but please explain if there's something Im missing.
Even if Craigan were making a gesture (which he isn't), is Sandro going to condemn Boruc for crossing himself in front of our fans?
For, if Craigans apparent gesture is irresponsible, then Boruc's was too.
Edit: I just checked and Sandro apparently lives in Italy. The gesture Craigan is making means something in Italy (Healy got sent off by an italian ref in the 2-2 Wales game in Cardiff), but it doesn't mean anything here. So dismount your horse please sir.
Oh yeah, exactly the same. You can surf the net all night long, you won't find any, well maybe in some Talebans lower division. I think we can as well stop here, by the way
Nvmqvam Deorsvm
You've completely lost me tbh...I've absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Same.
He should have worn this one..
Definitly another irresponsible idiot. Like Gazza a few years ago and everybody else who doesn't care about the consequences of their behaviour
And as far as I know Boruc is an idiot in many Poles' opinion regardless of his gesture in Glasgow and his poor display in Belfast
It means something everywhere. That's why UEFA and FIFA ban players
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WTf thats something different altogether
I assume you are assuming that the player is making a "up yours" gesture similar to this one (apologies, it is the first one I could find)
And I'd guess that is what the player is doing.
But whats your point? A player gesturing to fans? Hardly a new thing is it?
What story does it tell?
It certainly doesn't mean whatever you are trying to make out.
Healy's sending off in Cardiff was because after scoring he
a) deliberately ran towards Welsh fans in the east stand (we were all in the north-west corner), picked up the corner flag and waved it provocatively at them
b) got a deserved booking, argued it and got another.
That said, I'm sure Sandro's onto a non-story here.
Post bizarre allegation, fail to back up, flounce from thread. Do better.
Last edited by Gather round; 01/04/2009 at 10:39 AM.
I think I mentioned 'Love Ulster' first. Apologies for the 'whataboutery', but my point was not to have a go at Celtic/ RoI/ any other football fans, merely to show that urban riots can kick off in any country. As far as I could see, the main motivation of most involved was to glass and then loot the shops in Grafton and O'Connell Streets.WTf thats something different altogether
Still waiting
Nvmqvam Deorsvm
Sandro. I was in San Marino recently. When Grant McCann scored in that game he ran over to us and made a similar gesture. None of the officials, local Police or fans took any notice. You are just stirring for the sake of it here.
Well I was told from a NI fan who was there who was there that Northern Ireland fans 'charged' a bar full of Wales supporters maybe he was overexaggerating or spoofing but hes not the sort of guy that does that, Anyway to be fair I'd say the majority of NI fans were well behaved at the end of the day and there was probably a bit of abuse being given to Boruc from the type of blow ins who probably wouldn't have went near a NI game 5 years ago. Unfortunately you get these sorts everywhere.Didn't see or hear of any after the game (assuming you mean the 2-2 game in 2004). I saw a brief scuffle in the big open plan bar on the stadium side of St mary's St before the game- caused apparently by some local Cardiff (City) fans taking exception to Swansea's posse bringing a union jack over to a group of our fans.
I had intended to respond earlier to some of the criticism levelled at the NI support around the Poland game, especially the more outrageous accusations, smears and outright horsesh1t from the likes of "SligoBhoy67" and "Sandro", who not only were not at the game, but have possibly never attended an NI international in Belfast in their entire life, yet still presume to tell the rest of us who do, just what "the score" is (3-2, btw!).
Anyhow, seeing as how other posters (esp. Gather Round and Mr. Parker) have supplied a balanced, informed and reasonable commentary in rebuttal, you'll all no doubt be pleased to know that I shall refrain in this instance from responding to the criticisms in detail.
However, prompted by a news item earlier today, I shall still take this opportunity to remind posters of some background, which provide a degree of perspective (to those prepared to listen objectively, at any rate).
1. Here are some comments from Polish football fans concerning the previous two occasions we played them, home and away in 2004:
"Jurek" on the Belfast game (3-0 to Poland):
"The final whistle blows and the Polska supporters are overjoyed, they'd travelled all this way and their team had done them proud. Outside the ground the atmosphere continues and the mood is celebratory as spontaneous groups are formed for impromptu photographs. The mood continues on the walk back into Belfast, groups of Irish supporters gracious in defeat, shake our hands and wave us on. Although distraught at their own teams failure, they seem happy for us and we all agree that the Northern Irish are a great set of supporters"
http://www.kibice-uk.net/northernirelandvpoland1.htm
The return in Warsaw (1-0 to the Poles)
"The game itself was less then enthralling with a stubborn Northern Irish defence holding out and Maik Taylor having another outstanding game in the Irish goal but the fact that we had got in at all after all the previous disapointments easily made up for it. Aleks made a new friend in the shape of an old boy who claimed that the Polish number 5 was his son.
The Irish fans in the stand above us were superb, singing all the way through the match and not letting up even when Zurawski stole in at the back post to steal a cheeky headed goal in the 86th minute.
At the final whistle Poles and Irish saluted each other by chanting each others teams and applauding one another. I look forward to being drawn in another qualification group with Northern Ireland as the supporters are some of the best in the world."
http://www.kibice-uk.net/polandni05.htm
("Tosh" on the Warsaw game)
"After the impressive performance against Azerbaijan, I was looking forward to this game immensely. Myself and the four other English lads were doing as much partying and sightseeing as possible. The anticipation of another good result was very high and the atmosphere around Warsaw was gradually getting more intense. While walking around Stare Miasto and the City Centre, more Northern Ireland fans were arriving. Quite a few were staying in our hostel and the reception they gave us was fantastic. I’ve never met such fun and charismatic fans in all my life. They were already conceding defeat to Poland but were more than happy to see what Polska had to offer and have a good time with us all. There was absolutely no tension between the fans and no language barrier either. I think out of all the nations in the world, the Polish and Irish are the most fluent in the language of “one piwo please!”
http://www.kibice-uk.net/nitosh.htm
2. The following is a statement released today by Maciek Bator of the Polish Community Forum of NI:
Groups representing Polish people in Northern Ireland have said they regret the trouble at last month's World Cup qualifier in Belfast.
There was trouble before and after the fixture, damaging community relations in the south of the city.
The Polish Community Forum of Northern Ireland criticised the "intolerable behaviour" of so-called Polish fans.
After the match several Polish families in Northern Ireland were attacked or intimidated, mainly in the loyalist Village area of south Belfast.
Mr Bator said about 40 people were forced to leave the Village area because of the intimidation, but that most still wanted to live and work in Northern Ireland.
Since the trouble there have been intense efforts to rebuild relations with the community.
"We felt we had to tell communities in Northern Ireland that we were ashamed by this violence and want to rebuild relations," he said.
The forum, whose groups also come from towns such as Newry, Londonderry and Portadown where large numbers of Poles are living, represents about 27,000 Polish people living in Northern Ireland.
"As has been repeatedly indicated, as Polish immigrants living in Northern Ireland we disassociate ourselves in every respect from the group of so-called supporters who came to Belfast not for the football match but deliberately to bring about rioting," the forum said in its statement.
There are tens of thousands of Polish people living and working in Northern Ireland, drawn in during the boom years when work was easier to find.
Mr Bator said that after the football violence "a few" Poles had decided to leave, but said trouble finding employment had been a large factor in this and the trouble was being used as an excuse.
"We have to explain that the Polish community is here for the long-term," he added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8001650.stm
3. Four days after the Poland game, another Eastern European team (Slovenia) came to Belfast, albeit with many fewer supporters than the Poles, and everyone had a wonderful time, without the slightest hint of trouble by or for anyone. Oh, and we won that one, too!
Last edited by EalingGreen; 17/04/2009 at 5:51 PM.
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