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    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    I think its a good squad, picked on form rather than reputation, with less political picks than any Lions side since 1997 (shows McGeechan's huge integrity).

    The Earls selection is a brave one but a good one. McGeechan put Bentley and Jeremy Davidson in the test team in 97 when neither were household names and they were candidates for player of the tour.

    The idea that Hayes may get picked for his lineout ability was somewhat ridiculous. You can quote all you like about how lineouts outnumber scrums in the modern game, but a troubled scrum gives away penalties and tries, not just possession. Hayes is not a world class scrummager (understandable since he was a 2nd row until he was in his early 20s). Add in the hard ground in South Africa and he becomes a liability.

    Sheridan is taller and heavier, so should be an equally good lifter, plus he's a better scrummager.

    As for Quinlan, I could see him on the bench for the Test Team. Has all the qualities required, including that little edge of nastiness.
    Totally agree with this - i don't see why he would pick Quinlan unless he is going to be heavily involved. Also, i still think Hayes is a little unlucky considering Adam Jones got picked. can he play both sides or something?
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    Good to see Cork Con get as many on as Scotland

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    Schalk Burger, Bakkies Botha, Victor Matfield, Petersen, Habana, Juan Smit and South Africa will chew them all up
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfx- View Post
    Schalk Burger, Bakkies Botha, Victor Matfield, Petersen, Habana, Juan Smit and South Africa will chew them all up
    Burger isn't the player he was and is frequently exposed at Super 14 level.
    Botha and Habana are class, I grant you that.
    Matfield and Smit will hold no fears for O'Connell and Wallace, Ferris or Williams.
    Pietersen is good with ball in hand but will be exposed defensively.

    How this squad bonds will be a key factor, and with the core of it Irish and Welsh I feel there will be a good bond there.

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    British Lions

    Congratulations to all the Irish players who got selected for the Lions touring team. However, why are we still clinging to the coat tails of the Empire in the twenty-first century?

    If the 6 nations put together a team for some reason I could see how we would want to be a part of it but why are we the only tag-ons to the Brits?

    I don't see France or Italy wanting to be part of it, and as an independant country why should we?

    Also, everyone in the UK refers to the team as the British Lions, not the full title British and Irish Lions - have a look at the tours available on the net to go and see the British Lions.

    Either we are independant or we are not, or do our rugby crowd still like to think that they are part of the Empire??



    Also big congrats to Leinster who out-munstered Munster all over the park.

    Someone said to me that Limerick lads always bottle it in Croke Park

    Quinlan should be banned for his eye-gouging antics. If this means he misses the British Lions tour then he can blame nobody but himself. Tough luck and recover soon to O'Leary.



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    Quote Originally Posted by joeSoap View Post
    Burger isn't the player he was and is frequently exposed at Super 14 level.
    Botha and Habana are class, I grant you that.
    Matfield and Smit will hold no fears for O'Connell and Wallace, Ferris or Williams.
    Pietersen is good with ball in hand but will be exposed defensively.

    How this squad bonds will be a key factor, and with the core of it Irish and Welsh I feel there will be a good bond there.

    Having watched O'Connell & O'Callaghan being out manouvered by Cullen & O'Kelly I think Botha & Matfield will tear them a new one. Same can be said for the back row, Burger, Smit, Spies and if selected Luke Watson look a class above the potential Lions back row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endabob1 View Post
    Having watched O'Connell & O'Callaghan being out manouvered by Cullen & O'Kelly I think Botha & Matfield will tear them a new one.
    You can't judge them on one game. I didn't think O'Connell played that badly, given how much Munster were on the back foot.
    We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shilts View Post
    Either we are independant or we are not, or do our rugby crowd still like to think that they are part of the Empire??
    Its rugby tradition & remember the Irish team is not just the Republic of Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schumi View Post
    You can't judge them on one game. I didn't think O'Connell played that badly, given how much Munster were on the back foot.
    Fair point, i thought they took the Welsh line out apart in Cardiff but Matfield & Botha are the best in the business, they won't get second chances

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    Quote Originally Posted by endabob1 View Post
    Fair point, i thought they took the Welsh line out apart in Cardiff but Matfield & Botha are the best in the business, they won't get second chances
    It'll be very tough but I'd surprised if they didn't at least hold their own in the lineout. That was one area where Munster were dominant on Saturday.
    We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schumi View Post
    It'll be very tough but I'd surprised if they didn't at least hold their own in the lineout. That was one area where Munster were dominant on Saturday.
    Really?? I haven't seen any stats but I remember thinking that Cullen & O'Kelly spoiled a lot of Munster line-out ball, not actually stealing ball but disrupting it and slowing it down, I now await the stats to be brought out and make me look like a fool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by endabob1 View Post
    Really?? I haven't seen any stats but I remember thinking that Cullen & O'Kelly spoiled a lot of Munster line-out ball, not actually stealing ball but disrupting it and slowing it down, I now await the stats to be brought out and make me look like a fool!
    Don't have stats to hand but from the game I remember Munster stealing a good few Leinster line outs (can be partially put down to poor throwing but not entirely) and seemed to get a lot of quick ball off the top on their own throws.
    We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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    http://www.scrum.com/europeancup/rugby/match/28467.html

    Munster won 16 lost 2

    Leinster Won 12 lost 6

    I put it down to the beer

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    Mike Blair in for O'Leary. Given Phillips loss of form and Harry Ellis' inability to get into the Leicester side at present, scrum half has to be a huge worry for McGeechan now.

    Jamie Roberts is also doubtful, and Shanklin gone, so D'Arcy may well receive a call up.

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    anybody know what time decision on Quinlan due?
    And Miles To Go Before We Sleep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youths4Ever View Post
    anybody know what time decision on Quinlan due?
    It's been announced, 12 week ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge View Post
    It's been announced, 12 week ban.
    Hardly surprising to be honest. Munster will surely try appeal but unless some rules broken up to and including the hearing doubt he will get off but who knows
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    I am so upset about the verdict in Quinny's case. It would have been great to see him play with the lions.

    My old rugby coach used to say what happens in the ruck should stay in the ruck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashers Baptisa View Post
    I am so upset about the verdict in Quinny's case. It would have been great to see him play with the lions.

    My old rugby coach used to say what happens in the ruck should stay in the ruck.
    have to agree. the disipline committee have acknowledged that while it was reckless play the contact with the eyes wasnt intentional. surely the famous o'driscoll spear tackle was at the very least reckless play and yet those two NZ players were not even charged with anything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbyrne View Post
    have to agree. the disipline committee have acknowledged that while it was reckless play the contact with the eyes wasnt intentional. surely the famous o'driscoll spear tackle was at the very least reckless play and yet those two NZ players were not even charged with anything!
    I agree 100%. I should have said I would never condone a player going near another player's eyes. However I think Qunny is not that type of person. I do not think he would knowingly gouge another players' eyes.
    I just think it was a heat of the battle thing.

    With Thomas's horrific injury and the exit from the Heineken cup (still hasn't really sank in) it truly has been a rough few weeks for the Munster lads. I hope they can bounce back tomorrow night at TP. I do think they have the character and moral courage to end the season on a high against the Ospreys.

    I also look forward to the Munster lads (especially young Keith Earls) doing us proud in South Africa.

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