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I think he's like Ronaldo (the podgy one)... Pace was a key aspect of his game but since all the injuries he just doesnt seem to be the same threat as an attacker. 10 years ago he was world class but now I think his legs are gone. I watched a few Newcastle games at the end of last season and you could tell that a combination of two from Viduka, Martins, Lovernkrands (in a forward role) and even Andrew Carroll, were more likely to be a threat than him. I think if he drops down and plays at a lower level (something like the Dutch league, Championship in England or SPL) then he would thrive much in the way Ronaldo now is looking like a good player at Corinthians back in Brazil

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Well we were all waiting for you to look up wikipedia before my post got slated.

That would explain the delay alright.

First, I may have been a little harsh by summing up his entire career on one goal but you have to agree that his entire career has been based on the one thing he now lacks, speed.

It's hard to know how quick or slow he is these days as any matches he plays he seems to be just back from a long lay off. Obviously as the years go by he's only going to be getting slower. Although speed was his major attribute when at his best, he also scored loads of goals by being in the right place and having the ability to finish his chances.

Second, my grandmother could have scored against Germany that night, they were awful. Even Heskey scored that night

Although I agree they were an ordinary German side and particularly poor that night they still ended up in the WC Final conceding only one goal en route.

what's his goal to game ratio mr. wikipedia, I couldn't be ars*d looking it up.

I don't see the problem with using Wikipedia to confirm what I already think. If I check it and it turns out I was wrong then it'll have saved me posting uneducated rubbish.

Third, yes his goals won the F.A. cup final but lets admit it they shouldn't have because Arsenal should've had the game wrapped up at this stage. Not his problem I suppose.

Yes, definitely not his problem. If anything it shows how valuable he was having the ability to win a match for his team when they were totally outplayed.

Finally, I didn't say John Jensen never scored for Arsenal, I said it took him nearly 100 games before he did so.

Fair enough.

I don't know what Fergie is thinking by this signing. He did nothing to help Newcastle stay up and I'm sure injuries will always be an excuse, it's an excuse not to sign him as well. I'm just glad he cost nothing.

It's pretty obvious what Ferguson is thinking really. A no risk signing. I'm sure injuries will always be used as an excuse, and a pretty valid one in my opinion if they continue.

[coast boy]

I think if he drops down and plays at a lower level (something like the Dutch league, Championship in England or SPL) then he would thrive much in the way Ronaldo now is looking like a good player at Corinthians back in Brazil[/quote]

I agree. Its amazing all the United fans saying what a good bit of business it is by ferguson. If he had signed for Chelsea or Arsenal they would be slating it. And this new signing Obertan couldnt even get on the Borbeaux team. I think Valencia is a good player but he's no replacement for Ronaldo. He only scored 2 goals last year. I do think Rooney will be a better player with Ronaldo gone though. Ferguson really needed Benzema or Ribery but wont get either.

[Macy]

I agree. Its amazing all the United fans saying what a good bit of business it is by ferguson. If he had signed for Chelsea or Arsenal they would be slating it.

I think most are saying it could be a good bit of business. It's a no risk one - he cost nothing, he's on pay as you play (low basic, rest appearance based), so if he gets a few crucial goals it will be excellent business.

I do think Rooney will be a better player with Ronaldo gone though. Ferguson really needed Benzema or Ribery but wont get either.

I agree about Rooney, obviously we'll have to wait and see on that one how much better. I'm not that fussed about Benzema, who was the only realistic target of the two.

[coast boy]

I agree about Rooney, obviously we'll have to wait and see on that one how much better. I'm not that fussed about Benzema, who was the only realistic target of the two.[/quote]

Who are they realistically goin to play up front with Rooney? In my opinion Owen wont cut it or else will be injured and Berbatov should never be playing with a club like United. He is the laziest player iv seen in a long time.

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Its amazing all the United fans saying what a good bit of business it is by ferguson

I think most United fans feel it's a no risk signing, which it is. It could be a good bit of business by Ferguson but then again it might amount to nothing. I think it's worth trying out, nothing ventured nothing gained. Would I be worried if Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea had signed him?- probably not but that's not to say it wouldn't have worked out for them.

[Macy]

Who are they realistically goin to play up front with Rooney? In my opinion Owen wont cut it or else will be injured and Berbatov should never be playing with a club like United. He is the laziest player iv seen in a long time.

At the moment I'd expect it to Berbatov, and tbh I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt - this will be his first pre season and his first full season at the club.

[coast boy]

At the moment I'd expect it to Berbatov, and tbh I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt - this will be his first pre season and his first full season at the club.[/quote]

I wouldnt be overly afraid of that strikeforce. Rooney is class but scores in bursts and then doesnt score for a few games. Torres, Van Persie, Drogba are a lot more frightening to be honest.

[Shannon Boy]

I think if he drops down and plays at a lower level (something like the Dutch league, Championship in England or SPL) then he would thrive much in the way Ronaldo now is looking like a good player at Corinthians back in Brazil

I agree. Its amazing all the United fans saying what a good bit of business it is by ferguson. If he had signed for Chelsea or Arsenal they would be slating it. And this new signing Obertan couldnt even get on the Borbeaux team. I think Valencia is a good player but he's no replacement for Ronaldo. He only scored 2 goals last year. I do think Rooney will be a better player with Ronaldo gone though. Ferguson really needed Benzema or Ribery but wont get either.[/quote]

personally i think valencia will shine at united.he has great pace and can cross a great ball and even defend something ronaldo wouldn't do.maybe berbatov,rooney and owen will score more goals when valencia's delivery is shown.also i hope hargreeves gets back to full fitness haven't seen alot of him but when he has played,hes played great roles. i.e scoring in the penalty shoot out against chelsea and slotting in at right back when they needed him.aguero is a class act which we need to buy.him and rooney would be some strike force.we need to hold onto vidic for as long as we can also as alot of clubs are asking about him.a brilliant signing.if hargreeves doesnt improve then i would turn to yaya toure.all talk about ronaldo and messi being world palyer of the year and theirs no mention abou xavi or iniesta.they ran the show against man united in the champions league final.

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Last I heard it wasn't looking too good for Hargreaves. I agree he would be a key player if fit. He looked class, when selected, in his first season there and I honestly don't think they would have won either competition without him.

[NeilMcD]

I think that the fact that teams must have more players in their Champions League squad that are borin the country of the club has influenced Fergusons decision I think.

[old git]

I think if he drops down and plays at a lower level (something like the Dutch league, Championship in England or SPL) then he would thrive much in the way Ronaldo now is looking like a good player at Corinthians back in Brazil

I agree. Its amazing all the United fans saying what a good bit of business it is by ferguson. If he had signed for Chelsea or Arsenal they would be slating it. And this new signing Obertan couldnt even get on the Borbeaux team. I think Valencia is a good player but he's no replacement for Ronaldo. He only scored 2 goals last year. I do think Rooney will be a better player with Ronaldo gone though. Ferguson really needed Benzema or Ribery but wont get either.[/QUOTE]

we will have to wait and see how it all works out.. just remember the same was said when ferguson signed van nistlroyd after his bad injury and a certain christano ronaldo a virtual unknown portugese young player both of these did not work out to bad at utd ...

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we will have to wait and see how it all works out.. just remember the same was said when ferguson signed van nistlroyd after his bad injury and a certain christano ronaldo a virtual unknown portugese young player both of these did not work out to bad at utd ... [/quote]

Thats true but Van Nistleroy had a fantastic scoring record at the time. Wasnt much of a gamble really. Your goin to say Owen has a great record too but how many years ago was that? What has he done recently only lose his England place and be injured all the time. And Ronaldo was unknown outside of Portugal but as i can remember the players convinced Fergie to buy him. He was young and had potential but i suppose no-one knew how great he'd turn out.

[coast boy]

Looks like Villa is goin to Barcelona but Aguero is still available. I'd be surprised if he moved to England though. Probably stay in Spain. What a signing he would be for any club.

[John83]

Thats true but Van Nistleroy had a fantastic scoring record at the time. Wasnt much of a gamble really.

After that injury? Yes, it was.

Your goin to say Owen has a great record too but how many years ago was that?

I'd pretty much thought the same, but his record isn't bad at all. He scored 23 goals in 62 games in his last two seasons at Newcastle. With better service, who knows?

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Thats true but Van Nistleroy had a fantastic scoring record at the time.

As did Dirk Kuyt

[rambler14]

Lee Cattermole would be a great signing for Man Utd in my opinion. Sunderland have apparently lodged a bid for him and seeing as Fergie is always keen on looking at players for the future I would like to see him hijack the bid.
Since he broke in to the Middlesbrough team when he was 17 and onwards to Wigan he has been very impressive and to me he looks like a replacemnt for Roy Keane.

[old git]

Lee Cattermole would be a great signing for Man Utd in my opinion. Sunderland have apparently lodged a bid for him and seeing as Fergie is always keen on looking at players for the future I would like to see him hijack the bid.
Since he broke in to the Middlesbrough team when he was 17 and onwards to Wigan he has been very impressive and to me he looks like a replacemnt for Roy Keane.

cattermole a replacement for roy keane ... i assume you were joking

[rambler14]

cattermole a replacement for roy keane ... i assume you were joking

Not immediately but give him a few years.

[DmanDmythDledge]

I hate when people tout some obscure player as the next big thing just to make it look like they know loads when in reality they haven't a clue what they are on about.