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**liam88** · 03/12/2003, 6:54 PM

A few questions from a Republic Lad stuck in England

:

1.Does IL finish the same date as English Premier?
2. Oranangefield-sound like a Unionist club if ever I heard one? Any info on 'em?
3.What's the history with the word 'field' and it's association with Unionist/Loyalist organisations? Westfield school, Linfield Football club, any Nationalist Fields?
4. How come I started a thread called 'Belfast Celtic' and it's now called 'Derry and Clifftonville' yet I'm still down as the starter?

Thanks for the help,
Liam

**Paddy Ramone** · 04/12/2003, 11:50 AM

In answer to some of your questions.

The Orange Order have gatherings in fields after marches. I think this might be the reason for the popularity of the word of the word in placenames in Northern Ireland. Maybe this is how Orangefield got it's name.

I suppose the Belfast Celtic thread ended up as a Derry and Cliftonville thread because the subjects are similar.

**Paddy Ramone** · 08/12/2003, 11:31 AM

Liverpool were founded by an Orangeman and play at Anfield. Also the the traditionally Orange part of Liverpool is called Netherfield. Liverpool have a Kop and so have Linfield.

**liam88** · 12/12/2003, 8:12 PM

What is a Kop?

**TommyT** · 12/12/2003, 9:48 PM

Dutch for hilltop. The ''Spion Kop'' terraces are named after a hill in South Africa where loads of Brits got killed during the Boer War.

Go on the Boers I say.

**Duncan Gardner** · 13/12/2003, 9:35 AM

A few questions from a Republic Lad stuck in England :

1.Does IL finish the same date as English Premier?

No. Irish League 24 April, English Prem 15/16 May.

2. Oranangefield-sound like a Unionist club if ever I heard one?

Orangefield Old Boys play in the NI junior leagues and the local FA Cup. Like a lot of local clubs their roots are in the Churches and Boys' Brigade. Given the east Belfast location I think you can assume most members and supporters are unionists. Van Morrison went to Orangefield Secondary School.

3.What's the history with the word 'field' and it's association with Unionist/Loyalist organisations? Westfield school, Linfield Football club, any Nationalist Fields?

Coincidental. Linfield take their name from an industrial estate nearby, in itself inspired by the bleach greens used to prepare linen in the 19th century. Athenry?

**liam88** · 13/12/2003, 11:16 AM

Thanks.
Why have Liverpool got a big Republic following, joint Liverpool Celtic scarves etc. despite their Orange roots?
Has their Unionist history just faded away?

**Andyh** · 14/12/2003, 12:54 PM

"Go on the Boers thats what i say". Hmmm

Would that be the same Boers that went on to form Apartheid South Africa? Of course no-ones as bad as the terrible awful Brits eh??

TheRealRovers · 14/12/2003, 2:40 PM

Originally posted by Andyh
Of course no-ones as bad as the terrible awful Brits

True

**Duncan Gardner** · 14/12/2003, 3:22 PM

Originally posted by liam88
Thanks.
Why have Liverpool got a big Republic following, joint Liverpool Celtic scarves etc. despite their Orange roots?
Has their Unionist history just faded away?

Their big following follows from their domination of English football for 15 years.

The Celtic link follows more from Kenny Dalglish than the Irish diaspora I'd guess.

Religious affiliation in English football hasn't been a factor for decades.

Originally posted by Andy H
Would that be the same Boers that went on to form Apartheid South Africa? Of course no-ones as bad as the terrible awful Brits eh??

Hardly. The two events were half a century apart.

**Andyh** · 14/12/2003, 4:09 PM

Irony?

**Schumi** · 15/12/2003, 2:46 PM

Originally posted by liam88
Why have Liverpool got a big Republic following

The same reason Man United do and Chelsea will soon, glory hunting.

**TommyT** · 15/12/2003, 2:54 PM

Originally posted by Andyh
Irony?

Ironic or no, Touché.

**A face** · 15/12/2003, 3:24 PM

Originally posted by Schumi
The same reason Man United do and Chelsea will soon, glory hunting.

That just about sums it all up in one .... sad really.

**liam88** · 15/12/2003, 8:13 PM

You'll always get glory hunters though

Mabye they just needed a channel for their Irishness and Liverpool seemed the nearest available output.
Like me and Celtic-I'm Irish, stuck in England, there are a few teams that sing Irish songs and fly Irish flags, plus Celtic shirts are common place at Ireland games and vice versa. Add this to the fact meh family support Celtic and here we go

Of course I'll always be a Rams man but Celtic are a great channel for our Irishness if we live over here-and let's face it, thousands support Celtic for this very reason.
Mabye being lucky enough to be living in the homeland you don't need it as much, but being in England and taking all this racist trash it really is great to fly a Tri-Colour at a football stadium whilst surrounded by a load of other Irish singing Republican songs

**Paddy Ramone** · 17/12/2003, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Andyh
"Go on the Boers thats what i say". Hmmm

Would that be the same Boers that went on to form Apartheid South Africa? Of course no-ones as bad as the terrible awful Brits eh??

Well the Afrikaaners are descendants of the Boers. The Brits put them all into concentration camps. Both James Connolly and Arthur Griffith and most Irish Republicans supported the Boers in their war against the British. Boer is the Afrikaans ord for a peasant and went out of fashion because it was perceived as being derogatory.

Spion Kop is the Afrikaans. It is translated as spy mountain or lookout hill. Many British grounds like Linfield and Liverpool have a Spion Kop to commerate the battle of Spion Kop where many British soldiers lost their lives as was said before.

**Paddy Ramone** · 17/12/2003, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by liam88
Thanks.
Why have Liverpool got a big Republic following, joint Liverpool Celtic scarves etc. despite their Orange roots?
Has their Unionist history just faded away?

You also see plenty of Northern Ireland flags at Anfield among Liverpool supporters. The Red Hand of Ulster flag of the six counties just happens to have the same colours (red and white and small bit of yellow) as Liverpool. It's also quite common to see joint Liverpool Rangers scarves.

Everton back in the 50's and 60's had much stronger connections with Ireland. See the following link.

www.toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp

**lopez** · 18/12/2003, 1:37 PM

Originally posted by liam88
Of course I'll always be a Rams man...

Really??? I thought you were from Cork, not Donegal.

Please keep your sexual preferences to yourself. There are young kids that use this site.

**liam88** · 18/12/2003, 8:31 PM

hehe shudda seen that one comin'

Anyone got any pictures of joint Liverpool/Celtic or Liverpool/Rangers scarves just outta' interest?

**chaz763** · 21/12/2003, 11:27 PM

Stumbled across this pish by mistake - what paper's this lot reading!

Liverpool sing 'fathers advice' an orange tune (the tune of field of athenry) and scouser tommy ( the sash) - i care not a jot either way but the real things the realthing - sorry if you dont like it.

Liverpool fc was formed by an orangeman, is spitting distance from a rabid loyalist area (netherfield rd - not 'netherfield').

We have a huge irish support but just kike man u - glory hunters.

I'm a gateman - see it all - plastic paddies there called - sorry its reality!

Go on bite back.....