just wondering what people think of the aquillaini situation , I'm starting to think its similar to the robbie keane one where benitez has pais huge money for a player then then decided fairly quickly that he dose nt fancy him gives him the cold shoulder & ultimatley moves him on .
how much do you think he paid for him and do you know why he is not in the team? Or have you been listening to Ronnie Whelan,Andy Gray etc... do some research before assuming everyting you read in the tabloids and watch on SSN is the truth. BTW Benitez has been proved 100% correct to move Keane on, its actually a miracle he recouped so much money back off spurs for him. The problem wasn't Benitez it was Keane.Originally Posted by liv4ever
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10 goals this season from right side Kuyt 15 last season not bad for a rubbish player! If only he was good!
in fairness to kuyt he was playing as striker in holland , when he signed for liverpool benetiz has used him as wide man / mid fielder give kuyt credit as he never once complained and always gave 100% for team
would be intresting to see if he would be let play up front with torres for a season or half /season just to see how he would do ..
" football is a simple game "
In my opinion i reckon he wouldn't be allowed but would like to see it myself.
strange benetiz wont play him up front !! prefer's ngog ... surely kuyt deserves his chance to see if he can produce the goals as main striker
" football is a simple game "
I think this season has proved the problem is Benitez. Dont get me wrong though, I hope he gets to see out his contract as any team managed by him will not win trophies in english football.
did he not win an f.a. cup for liverpool ??? .. also english football now seems to be judged on winning a league title or champions league which seems to be the big one these days ( press & media) and his record not to bad in this ..
" football is a simple game "
can you explain your statement about Benitez being the problem this year?
you are only a loser when you stop trying. Playing sport does not build character, it reveals it.
I'll have a go.
In my opinion the man has taken them as far as he can. They are an absolute disaster of a team & a squad. They are relying on 3 players, Gerrard, Reina & Torres. Rafa inherited 1 of them.
They play horrible football with no style.
He has proven himself a plonker in the transfer market. Selling Alonso was beyond a joke. Selling Crouch similiar. (I know these two points have been reiterated a billion times)
I don't buy the argument that he has broken even in the transfer market so its ok that he has spent millions, he still spent millions. On muck.
Liverpool are light years away from a league championship or a champions league.
His starting 11 V Stoke in January which pretty much was a flat back eight with a right midfielder & a striker was good craic.
Regardless of the nonsense going on behind the scenes at LFC, Rafa has over the last 5 years, been given money, he has squandered it and he is now struggling to finish fourth in the P.L. The current squad has been assembled by Rafa. It is a very, very poor squad.
If I had a ball of money to invest in LFC in the morning, I would struggle to do so in the knowledge that Rafa would be shopping with my millions.
His time is up.
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Both these players chose to leave, granted the Alonso reasons were because Rafa tried to flog him to Juve to get a few bob to sign Barry but Crouch wanted first team football and with Torres & Gerrard, Rafa couldn't guarantee him that.
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I can understand supporters trying to jusify decisions of their manager but the cold hard facts is Rafa is a control freak, he has made some shocking decisions just to prove his might. What he did to Keane was disgraceful, the way he courted Barry in front of Alonso was laughable and his persistence in playing sub standard players eg Lucas is costing liverpool. You could only admire the way they played in the latter half of last season but this season has seen them revert back to the same old negatiive muck. Even on this resurgent run of theirs the football has been terrible on the eye, I can honestly say that the Everton game last week was the worst quality game of the season although it was compelling viewing.
Thats a fair point, but it still does not excuse the fact that he sold two quality footballers and failed on any level to replace them.
How do you figure this out? Just because Harry Redknapp prefers Defoe and has the brains to see that Crouch is more than just a squad man, this proves Benitez right? what about the fact that he has to play Ngog every time Torres is missing, which is nearly all the time!! Unless you actually think Ngog is contributing more than Keane would (which I'll give you some undeserved credit and assume not), then I don't see at all how Benitez has been remotely proved right.
Could you explain to me why he's not in the team? He was out injured up until November or so but since then he's started very few games. If certain games don't "suit" his style then it shows up the signing as the absolute disaster it's been so far. Also, by the time he was fully fit Liverpool were out of the title race. If they had bought a midfielder that could have played from August then they would certainly have made a better start rather than relying on Lucas and Mascherano for creativity. At the moment Liverpool have signed a midfielder that doesn't play. That is Benitez's fault.
Keanes club form for the past 18 months has been very poor. Benitez realised he was no longer the player he used to be or was not the player he thoght he was and shipped him out. In theory Keane was a great signing but he obviously didn't cut it up close day to day. Robbie was miserable, it was plain to see in his body language, Spurs came in really strong for him and it made sense for everyone to do the deal. Liverpools form at the end of last year proved that.I think Rafa would have persisted with Robbie but when Spurs came in with a very good offer both the player and club made the right decision.
I have a problem that we did not sign another striker in the summer but I think its fair to say thats more to do with a lack of funds than any Rafa reasons. I dont see your point with Crouch, he wanted to go, so much so that he signed for Portsmouth for gods sake. Ngog is raw and has a lot to learn but he still has 4 premiership goals this season, thats on a par with many of the so called established Premiership players, Crouch has 5, Pavlyuchenko has none, Carew has 4, heskey has 2, Owen has 2, Walcott has 1.
To answer your smarted arse question Keane scored 6 goals for spurs, 4 of which were in one game so yes I do think Ngog is contributing as much as Keane and has a much better attitude aswell.
you are only a loser when you stop trying. Playing sport does not build character, it reveals it.
Thats the problem, he is not fully fit. His injury has not healed as quickly as originally diagnosed, it happens sometimes. If Liverpool had the money they would have signed a fit midfielder of the appropiate quality. Aqualani cost 5 million up front and has massive potential. Tell me what player of quality could you sign for 5 million?He was not signed for the first half of the season obviously and will play his part yet. Judge after more than 5 or 6 games in all fairness. He was not in the squad for the Arsenal game because he was ill, no mystery, no rotation, no Rafa tinkering, the lad was ill simple as that. - it happens and it was publicly announced by the club. The club is broke, Rafa is shopping in the Eurosaver shop for players who are free agents or cost a couple of million, has to sell squad players just to afford to extend other players contracts. Yet you come on here and ask why didn't they buy this player or he has signed a crock. You should spend less time playing football manager or watching Sky sports and at least take the time to research some facts about the subject you are talking about.
you are only a loser when you stop trying. Playing sport does not build character, it reveals it.
Ngog has 4 goals in 770 mins, Pavlychenko has no goals in 4 premier league games (in which he's played the total of around 60 mins) to compare him to Ngog this season is silly. Ngog just isnt premier league standard, hence why Jovanovic is probably joining next season. I would imagine Ngog will slip behind Nemeth next season given the Hungarian's form at AEK (3 goals in 7 matches)
Pavlychenko is relevant. The discussion was about how effective is Ngog is compared to the OP's assertion that Keane would do a better job. The fact that Redknapp does not play Pavlychenko and yet still let Keane go to Celtic speaks volumes about Keanes efectiveness.
Ngog has a long way to go in terms of development but he has raw talent and a huge appitite for work. His record you pointed out is a goal every 2 games or so. Thats not bad considering how underrated he appears to be.
I think you'll find that Ngogs record of 4 in 770 mins is better than Nemeths 3 in 630 min and in a much superior competition but lets not let facts get in the way, thats just silly.
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From what i've read the fee is to be paid in four cash installments:
€5m upfront
€3m by 4th January 2010
€7m by June 30th 2010
€5m by June 30th 2011
There are some add on's that will bring the final total to around 22.5m
I don't know exactly why he is n't in the team but why pay so much for a player who as of yet has n't secured a regular place in the team 7 months after he's been signed ? Benitez is to stubborn for his own good thats his problem i mean he sold keane last january when we were challanging for the title & actualy imo handicapped the team because we had nt a suitable replacement .Are you saying we could nt have recouped that money for keane 5 months later in the summer ? & maybe while he was there he could ve added the vital odd goal in one of those 11 games we drew that ultimatley cost the league ... Aquillaini was bought as alonso s replacement not as a filler for when gerrard is injured , it's another mistake in a long list of mistakes by the manager in the transfere market
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