QuoteYou might want to check your facts on that...Originally Posted by Guts&Glory
While far from powerless, Quinn is not the business manager of the club
He does if he wants to run the club properly, Quinn isn't just a powerless figurehead he is the manager on the bsuiness side of things.
As in any business it is better conducted - and more can be achieved - with able to meet staff face to face, clients, potential sponsors, marketing, press etc.
That cannot be done in a office at home in Dublin.
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My explanation was in response to a previous post and to emphasis his Chairman role at the club but how and ever.
So it wasn't Quinn that got Drumaville, Boylesports or Short on board?? News to him I would think.
Thanks for going to the trouble because as I said every one needs to be told how it is every now and again including Roy "I am too good to make the mistakes that other people make"
You are not Triggs are you, posing under Wolfie ye old Fox ye!!
That ex Ireland legend left Leeds nearly bankrupt and then went on to leave Aston Villa in a worse state than when he joined them.
It was far from just United fans and Cork people that wanted him back.If I was to put a percentage on the people I know that were happy to see him back it was at about 80%, and that was people in Galway and Dublin.And Im a League of Ireland fan by the way and was delighted to see him back so u cant just categorise people like that.
At the end of the day we are obviously not going to agree on the point,so all I can say is that any of the games in Landsdowne I was at after he return, the majority of the people around me at all the games gave him a good reception and there were plenty of choruses of KEANO KEANO going around for him during the games. And I wasnt in the same spot for all of these games either so it wasnt just a case of one section of the crowd were cheering him all the time
Its really not that complicated!!!
Fair enough, your recollection is different from mine and maybe 80% of your mates were happy to see him back but the majority of mine and the majority I'd have met and spoken to about it on away trips weren't. We weren't going to boo a man in Green though unlike those who were happy to boo McCarthy and who hollered loudest when RK came back (having initially turned his nose up at a comeback when Kerr took over despite his comment in the press that he'd come back if the manager changed). But is was all a PR battle at that stage. As it was he was over the hill when he finally came back and added very little despite a couple of half decent performances.
As for O'Leary, no offence mate but that's more tripe, he left Leeds in 5th in the Premier league and with a squad that should have been more then capable of challenging, since when was it down to the manager to run the finances of a club? Had they made a proper appointmenmt afterwards instead of hiring Hell Tel they may well have ridden the storm, the reason their creditors came after them was down to the fact that they were fighting a relegation battle rather then challenging for the title, had they been top of the league as they had been the season before with essentially the same squad (bar Woodgate in for Ferdinand and Barmby for Keane) then they'd have been fine. Keane's net spend was more then O'Learys in a shorther space of time.
As for where he left Villa, they'd finished 16th when he took over and he finsihed 6th the next season, 4 points of a champions league place. Martin O'Neill will be lauded if he gets to within 4 points of the CL this year. The next season was 10th and then 16th again so he left them exactly where he found them and had 2 decent seasons in between. By all means get involved in a debate but try to stick to facts rather then the tabloid style spin you'll hear about a situation.
Yes - I can now reveal that I am in fact "Triggs" the dog.
When I'm not appearing on SKY 1's "Worlds most articulate Pets" or walking the environs of Chesire - I post on Foot.ie.
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Great post. Sums up perfectly how many people felt.
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
Triggs 2 surely?
Isn't Triggs the First dearly departed? litterly walked to his death
Roy's excuse for not moving to Sunderland looks a bit thin. Can it be any more of a kip than all the other kips anywhere north of Devon? I can imagine it was Teresa, she probably gave him an expletive filled tirade full blast into his ears and cut him to shreds when he sheepishly tested the waters, over the Sunday breakfast, about moving to Sunderland.
People werent going to boo a man in green???
Irish fans had no problem booing Keane against Iceland when he played after not going on the US tour, Irish fans had no problem booing Mick McCarthy when we were losing to Switzerland, Steve Staunton got booed.... even as recently as the Georgia game the Irish team were booed off at half time. So dont give me that about the great Irish fans didnt want to boo a man in green, especially after the strength of feelings people had about the Saipan issue.Some people did boo him but were completely out numbered buy people that were happy to see him back in an Irish shirt
Its really not that complicated!!!
Really?
I wonder just how many Irish fans wanted him back? When he walked away from Saipan that should have been the end of it.
You're totally missing the point, I'm saying that there was a lot of people out there who had issues with his behaviour but who wouldn't boo him. You're using the excuse that just because there was only a small amount of people booing that that means the vast majority of fans were delighted to see him back which is frankly boll0x.
My recollection of the Romania game was that when the announcer mentioned his name over the tannoy during the warm up, there was a lot of "hmmm,is anyone else booing, well then boo, and hiss" from the crowd that had gone into the stadium at that stage.
When the teams came out, Keane was the last Irish player out on the pitch, and was applauded by the vast majority.
He may have won MOTM (can't remember) but he did stand in the centre circle at full time and applauded the crowd, and they responded in kind. There may well have been boos again at that time, but they were definitely drowned out by the majority in attendance.
lots of premier lge managers are only on the training pitch once or twice a week
I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree, I had enough of the Roy Keane arguements back in 2002 and dont wanna get into it all again
Its really not that complicated!!!
Fair enough, worst thing about the whole Saipan thing was seeing fellow Irish fans arguing with each other on away trips, it left a bad taste for years and it's not something I want to see again. Peace!I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree, I had enough of the Roy Keane arguements back in 2002 and dont wanna get into it all again
http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/ke...t-1714669.html
THERE'S a certain synchronicity in the fact that Roy Keane's name is back on the mat at exactly the time Mick McCarthy lifts Wolves up by the bootstraps to a promotion that nobody would have predicted nine months ago.
Keane and McCarthy seem fated to pass like lifts in a tall building -- as one heads for the sky, the other drops to a more modest level.
McCarthy is still cantankerous and hungry enough to want to prove everyone wrong after all he's been through and he has done a mighty job with Wolves.
Last summer, there were strong indications that McCarthy would be looking for a new club and that Wolves would cycle through a few more managers before they would find a way back to the Premier League.
Once again it seemed McCarthy's club ambitions would be stymied by life on the margins where loaves and fishes make up the transfer budget.
Lash
He's won himself another shot at the big time through clever work in the transfer market and his ability to motivate a squad. While he's in the Premier League mixing with the toffs, it looks like Keane is ready for another lash but once again, with a golden spoon attached.
The word around Cork and London for the last few days is that Keane is now odds on to sign up for a job that will make Sunderland look like a picnic, even if Loftus Road is nearer the range of fleshpots and high class shopping so beloved of the modern day professional footballer.
Up until a couple of years ago, QPR was a small time club graced by the occasional star turn and its history is written around names rather than trophies. Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles and Gerry Francis all made plenty of headlines but not by winning anything in blue and white hoops.
But when Flavio Briatore and Bernie Ecclestone took over, 10,000 or so hard core fans began to believe that something wonderful might be in the air.
That belief was strengthened when Lakshmi Mittal, steel magnate and billionaire -- Britain's richest man or at least he was until the banks came tumbling down -- spent £200k of his £28 billion to buy into QPR, apparently for his son-in-law (a fan).
The next member of the billionaire club to sign up was Vijay Mallya, co-owner of the Force India F1 team and one of the wealthiest men on the planet.
Mallya's Kingfisher brand has been a big backer of Indian sport and he sponsors two football clubs, East Bengal and Mohun Bagan and owns the Royal Challengers Bangalore cricket team in the Indian Premier League. Horse racing is another passion.
For any manager weighing up the advantages and disadvantages of a particular job, the presence of three billionaires and the owner of Benetton in the house offer possibilities that are both heady and dangerous.
Aura
These are all men who expect lesser mortals to listen when they speak and haven't become impossibly wealthy by trusting their money to strangers without strict oversight.
Keane was lucky that his first job involved a bunch of Irishmen, rich
Irishmen who were all fans of his and ready to buy into his aura.
For him, the right environment neither existed or could exist at the Stadium of Light so he quit but that doesn't mean he has lost his belief that he can go a long way as a manager without a 10 year CV hard won in the lower divisions, fighting for the knowledge that makes managers great, if he can find men to fund his ambition.
Niall Quinn and Drumaville made certain that he never wanted for cash and he wasted a great deal of it. When Ellis Short asked a few questions, Keane made a ruthless decision and legged it.
The difficulty with this approach is the fact that a rich man's plans will often conflict with the normal rhythms of football -- especially if he fancies a hands on role.
There are many rich men hovering around Loftus Road and all of them have plans. Briatore himself is hands on type of guy and likes to do training.
The first 18 months of the new ownership don't make good reading for a martinet like Keane.
Since the takeover, QPR have been ripping through managers at a great rate. John Gregory, Mick Harford, Luigi De Canio, Ian Dowie and Paulo Sousa have come and gone since October 2007 and the current incumbent, Gareth Ainsworth, is having his second stint as a caretaker.
In the last few days, Briatore responded angrily to suggestions that he interfered in Sousa's team selections but admitted that the QPR board was disappointed with some aspects of his work.
Formation
"When we beat Preston North End before Christmas, Paulo made six changes for the next match and we only drew at Charlton, who were bottom of the league. And against Ipswich, he stuck to a 4-5-1 formation when we were at home.
"But I would like to repeat, I never once told Paulo, or any other coach for that matter, which team to pick."
There's a yarn doing the rounds among hacks in London telling how Ainsworth left his mobile phone in the dressingroom in recent weeks and when he returned at half-time, found 62 missed calls.
These tales tend to gather detail and volume as they travel around the press boxes but even if there was one missed call, it wouldn't augur well for an easy relationship with the next man, especially at a club which changes managers as often as a race car needs tires.
That's why it's hard to figure why Keane would be interested -- if indeed he is. Some in London believe that an agreement is already in place with a new manager who will be named in June but can't decide whether it's Dennis Wise or the Corkman.
It looks like a job that could rapidly descend into conflict even if it does carry the promise of a bankroll to invest in serious talent and while Keane is big enough and man enough to fight his corner, the last thing he needs on his next step in management is a short and acrimonious spell working under powerful men with egos as big as his own
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
Wait for it. Moths to a flame or light:
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
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