QuoteIsnt it obvious that since Keane left Sunderland they are doing fine. Is that not proof enough.
He couldnt handle it , end of story.
exactly, well said brendan.Originally Posted by Brendan 82
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Isnt it obvious that since Keane left Sunderland they are doing fine. Is that not proof enough.
He couldnt handle it , end of story.
Yes and its no harm to let him know it either.
Roy if your reading your a bit of a gob****e.
Its for your own good Roy because like some famous/powerful people you have to be told how it is every now and again.
Pleased to be of service.
Jaysus - you put Keane straight there, tough guy.
Why don't you post your name and address up to give him a right to reply?
Quoting years at random since 1975
What a pile of rubbish Gut & Glory!!
Short was on his case cause of bad results. He never turned up for training. His tactics were terrible and predictable. His coaching methods were shocking. And the way he treated players was disgraceful. He wasted ,what looked at the time, 40m of Shorts money. We were second bottom after losing to the mighty Bolton Wanderers at home 4-1. He called players weak for not moving up to Sunderland when he wouldn't do it himself. As a manager he should have moved up to the North East. And he didn't want people to question his abilty when we were heading back to the Championship. And with the same team Ricky Sbragia has taken to mid-table and look a hell of lot better. What Keane did at the club was good but Denis Smith and Peter Reid did a lot better under different circumstance and a lot less money. So this nonsense that Keane did a brilliant job at Sunderland is just ridculous! He failed where so many have before him. The easy part is getting out of the Championship the hard part was turning us into a Premiership force. What he said about Clive Clarke was just sick!!
P.S What is this doing in the Ireland forum anyway?
nail..on...head..hit....
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
I presume that's true but I'm having trouble believing it........
Is it really true?
Thursday and Friday were the only days he'd show up. Left it to Tony Loughlin the rest of the week.
Evidently Dunphy savaged Keane in an article this weekend. Anyone have a link to it?
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
That's incredible when you consider the wages he was probably on, and the kind of money he was throwing around in the transfer market.
Whatever about letting a manager get on with a job, if I was Short I'd have been giving him calls to get out there as well!
2 days a week of involvement with the first team at the Premiership level?
This isn't a pub team FFS
I agree that Keane left himself down in not seeing this season through (at the very least) at Sunderland. However all this talk about he's proven not to be able to handle a Premier Lge team, he should have learned his trade with a lesser club, he's proven to be a bad manager cos he can't deal with people- I'm sorry but I think this is complete and utter horsesh!t. He took over at a team who were second bottom of the Championship and left them second bottom of the Premier League having finished relatively comfortably in 15th the season before. Whether he spent money or not this was a terrific achievement and the fact that they have done ok since he left only proves that he left the club in a fairly strong position.
They were second from bottom after only 4 games when he took them over in August (i.e. the season had barely started) so all this "took them from the bottom to the top" is pure hyperbole.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Took over a team after 5 games who'd just won their last. Spent more net then anyone else in that league on players on very high championship wages to get promoted. Did well but was undoubtedly bankrolled that season. Spent a fortune in the PL and scraped into 15th having been in a relegation scrap most of the season. Spent another fortune and then buggered off with them in the bottom 3. Terrific achievment? By whose standards?
I know it's heresy to criticise the golden son on one side of the fence but some of the defence of his record that's been provided since he left Sunderland has been laugahable in the extreme....
Calm down Roy
I thought that might smoke you out!!
Well you are either Roy or one of his bitches!!
Plenty managers have spent lots and won fcuk all. How much money have Sunderland made by being in the Premier Lge? TV rights, prize money, extra attendances at matches, etc. I'd say it'd go a long way towards repaying those transfer deals...and presumably the fans are much happier than looking up at Newcastle and Boro and the rest.
If any other former Irish international did the same job at Sunderland as Keane did people would be falling all overthemselves praising him and saying that he is a definate future Ireland manager. But because of his history some people cannot wait to see him fail and will jump at any chance to have a go at him. Simple fact is though that the vast majority of fans in Landsdowne Road were delighted that he was back when he returned under Kerr and he remains very popular with these fans.
I did say at the start when I posted the interview in The Times that it wasnt going to change anybodies opinion of him one way or the other
Its really not that complicated!!!
I just think if someone opened a thread (for example) discussing one of our ex-players' fondness for the drink there'd be no problems with it being in this forum. Because Keane is world famous doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss him in the Ireland forum.Because it was about his service to Ireland. This, on the other hand, is about Keane's role in leaving a Premiership club - not a smidgeon about Ireland as far as I can see. Anyway, the powers that be have decided that this is relevant to the Irish team and who am I to question this
Your opinion or fact? If the latter, have you a source?
IMO it was never better than 50-50 and when he failed to contibute anything on his return is was a lot less.
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
Like myself, I was always a big Roy fan, but I have to admit i was let down by him walking out on sunderland. He cant have it both ways - playing the tough guy talking about respect - then he leaves sudnerland in the lurch the first hint of problems with over 20 rubbish signings that would be difficult to sellIf any other former Irish international did the same job at Sunderland as Keane did people would be falling all overthemselves praising him and saying that he is a definate future Ireland manager. But because of his history some people cannot wait to see him fail and will jump at any chance to have a go at him. Simple fact is though that the vast majority of fans in Landsdowne Road were delighted that he was back when he returned under Kerr and he remains very popular with these fans.
I did say at the start when I posted the interview in The Times that it wasnt going to change anybodies opinion of him one way or the other
Yes but Im sure u dont think he did a terrible job at Sunderland either. Dont get me wrong I dont think he did brilliantly there but as Ive said earlier in this thread I think he did a good job for his first job in management and will improve for the experience
Its really not that complicated!!!
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