Anyone thinking of leaving the country in the current climate?

**jebus** · 04/02/2009, 12:32 PM

It's freezing like!

Seriously though, Den Perry made mention of it in the Public Sector Pay Cut thread and I think it warrants it's own thread. Would the way the country has been handled, the way country is now, or the way the country will most likely go (Fianna Fail will get voted back in I figure, we're Irish after all)make you think about leaving the country? Does anyone think emigration figures might hit pre-Celtic Tiger days again?

I pretty much made my mind up when Fianna Fail were re-elected to get out (and again when I was dumped by my girlfriend a few months later *whistles*), and have gone back to finally finish my degree so I can take off by the end of next year, although I realise this is looking like a full global recession (except in China, but you'd expect their exports to be hit as well) I really don't think I could stomach staying in this country when Fianna Fail eventually just abandon general elections under the Aren't The Irish Thick bill (or Maggie's Law as it should be called).

Plus I would love to say goodbye to family and friends at a leaving party and do the same exit as Ray Patterson in the Trash of the Titans episode of the Simpsons

**Wolfie** · 04/02/2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

Plus I would love to say goodbye to family and friends at a leaving party and do the same exit as Ray Patterson in the Trash of the Titans episode of the Simpsons

You're all screwed. GoodBye!!......

**Den Perry** · 04/02/2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

It's freezing like!

Seriously though, Den Perry made mention of it in the Public Sector Pay Cut thread and I think it warrants it's own thread. Would the way the country has been handled, the way country is now, or the way the country will most likely go (Fianna Fail will get voted back in I figure, we're Irish after all)make you think about leaving the country? Does anyone think emigration figures might hit pre-Celtic Tiger days again?

I pretty much made my mind up when Fianna Fail were re-elected to get out (and again when I was dumped by my girlfriend a few months later *whistles*), and have gone back to finally finish my degree so I can take off by the end of next year, although I realise this is looking like a full global recession (except in China, but you'd expect their exports to be hit as well) I really don't think I could stomach staying in this country when Fianna Fail eventually just abandon general elections under the Aren't The Irish Thick bill (or Maggie's Law as it should be called).

Plus I would love to say goodbye to family and friends at a leaving party and do the same exit as Ray Patterson in the Trash of the Titans episode of the Simpsons

Can I ask what age you are Jebus? I really would like to give it a go.However I'm 35 now and all my experience is in the financial sector so not too much opportunity there at moment!!

I don't have any children but do have a long term Girlfriend, so obviously would have to persuade her to move also.I had always planned on trying UK its just that things turned out differently. Obviously it would be a wrench (I sound like a footballer being transferred there) to leave family, friends etc, however may not have a choice as I think the country is going to be in the doldrums for a long time yet

**Magicme** · 04/02/2009, 1:11 PM

I have spent the last 8 years trying to convince my children to move abroad but they won't as they dont want to leave their dad, step-sisters and schools.

I have 7 1/2 years left of my children being at home and reliant on me so I have to put them and their wishes first. Otherwise I would be gone by now. In 8 years time I want to be posting on here from the South of France. Even if I am only able to get part time jobs or have to rely on benefits in France, I would rather be poor in the more friendly mediterrean climate than freezing and poor here.

**Den Perry** · 04/02/2009, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

I have spent the last 8 years trying to convince my children to move abroad but they won't as they dont want to leave their dad, step-sisters and schools.

I have 7 1/2 years left of my children being at home and reliant on me so I have to put them and their wishes first. Otherwise I would be gone by now. In 8 years time I want to be posting on here from the South of France. Even if I am only able to get part time jobs or have to rely on benefits in France, I would rather be poor in the more friendly mediterrean climate than freezing and poor here.

Shall I come with you and we can support Monaco? formidable!!!

**paul_oshea** · 04/02/2009, 1:15 PM

having come to london with no connections to this city in any shape or form, and having spent the first couple of my work nights living in a hostel(i flew in on the sunday night and straight to a hostel for work the following morning) I can say that switching to somewhere like london or most parts of western europe, is not a daunting task at all, especially if you have a girlfriend that would come with you. It seems like a bit step but its not really. The only big thing is getting accomodation sorted.

Den Perry, do you mind asking what experience you have in FS. There are still jobs over here in that sector(as I work mainly in IT and FS), having said that it looks like I am going to be made redundant as they are getting rid of our FS BU.

Moving further afield is obviouslly a bigger step, however I dont think either are that big really. The thing i would worry about is ppl think of going travelling now for a year or year and half as the right thing to do, and when they come back everything will be hunky dory, its not the case, i know a lad who came back and has been 3 months out of work.

**paul_oshea** · 04/02/2009, 1:17 PM

Magicme, how coould you go to another country and scrounge off their socialist system? I remember meeting an english guy once in france who had spent about 4 years doing that in france. Its no life, and wholly wrong in my opinion.

**superfrank** · 04/02/2009, 1:45 PM

Just two and a half years left in college than I'm off to wherever. Spain is my preference but I've thought about the States, Canada, Portugal and South America as well.

Nothing to do with job prospects or the climate, I just hate Ireland and want to live in another country.

**Magicme** · 04/02/2009, 1:52 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Magicme, how coould you go to another country and scrounge off their socialist system? I remember meeting an english guy once in france who had spent about 4 years doing that in france. Its no life, and wholly wrong in my opinion.

I have no intention of going and scrounging, just saying in a worst case scenario if I moved there and couldnt get a job I would rather stay there in the warmth than move home in the cold.

I want to set up a business when I go there and have been building towards that for a few years now.

Den, would your girlfriend not be upset if you came to France with me?

My boyfriend certainly would!! He is probably lurking here somewhere so hide!

**Den Perry** · 04/02/2009, 1:56 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

I have no intention of going and scrounging, just saying in a worst case scenario if I moved there and couldnt get a job I would rather stay there in the warmth than move home in the cold.

I want to set up a business when I go there and have been building towards that for a few years now.

Den, would your girlfriend not be upset if you came to France with me?

My boyfriend certainly would!! He is probably lurking here somewhere so hide!

lol....sacre bleu, je suis desole!!

Was only joking there Magic!! (and her boyfriend....and my girlfriend if you are all on this site) lol

**Magicme** · 04/02/2009, 2:08 PM

Originally Posted by Den Perry

lol....sacre bleu, je suis desole!!

Was only joking there Magic!! (and her boyfriend....and my girlfriend if you are all on this site) lol

Good recovery there. I would be supporting Marseille anyways.

Frank, Canada is a really good option and one I would love if I hadnt had my fill of artic climates when I was a child. If it was warmer I would move. That said Vancouver isnt too bad.

**paul_oshea** · 04/02/2009, 2:20 PM

if i could go back to america working legally i would, easy. I did a year there and it was brilliant, really opened my eyes in general, but Frank it is not easy to get working out there. Canada is always an option though with the new 2 year visa thing they have going. A lot of irish are heading out there/out there already.

**jebus** · 04/02/2009, 2:22 PM

I'm 28 and 2 days Den Perry

My preference is to live in Spain, preferably Barcelona as I know people who have moved out there in the past year and absolutely love it, their only regret being that they didn't make the move sooner

**superfrank** · 04/02/2009, 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

Frank, Canada is a really good option and one I would love if I hadnt had my fill of artic climates when I was a child. If it was warmer I would move. That said Vancouver isnt too bad.

I loved Canada when I was there a few years ago and I've really considered it but the cold winters is the main problem.

Originally Posted by paul oshea

I did a year there and it was brilliant, really opened my eyes in general, but Frank it is not easy to get working out there.

My mother's an American citizen so I'm pretty sure I can get a US passport. I know I can get a green card so that's not a problem.

Originally Posted by jebus

My preference is to live in Spain, preferably Barcelona as I know people who have moved out there in the past year and absolutely love it, their only regret being that they didn't make the move sooner

Supposedly, Barcelona is the Cork of Spain in terms of up-their-own-arseness.

**Den Perry** · 04/02/2009, 2:28 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

I'm 28 and 2 days Den Perry

My preference is to live in Spain, preferably Barcelona as I know people who have moved out there in the past year and absolutely love it, their only regret being that they didn't make the move sooner

Happy belated birthday Jebus...you are only a young fella

Lived in New York before and enjoyed ibut was really only doing casual work.but but at this stage I find the American way of life too different...sport, early nights etc and would find it hard to get used to again.

If I did go it would be UK or Australia...

or else just open a little business in a European holiday resort and enjoy my summers!!

**SkStu** · 04/02/2009, 3:23 PM

regarding Canada, i have been here just under 3 years now (combination of fiancee and disillusionment with Ireland made it a quite easy choice) and i have to say that it is a great place to live with a really low cost but high quality of living.

The winters are really really freezing (in Sask it gets to -40 regularly) but it is a dry cold and is quite easy to dress for. The summers make up for it, 4-5 months of really dry warm weather. Also, BC (Vancouver) has a very moderate climate - little snow, decent sun but lots of rain in between - i think quite similar to home. It seems that Sask is booming, employment is high, wages are high, cost of living is low and though property prices rose since ive been here they are levelling off. I know that Ontario is suffering big time however.

I would recommend anyone thinking of moving to consider Canada - great people, good opportunites and low cost of living (outside of Quebec, Toronto and Vancouver).

for and on behalf of the Canadian Immigration Bureau

**pete** · 04/02/2009, 3:34 PM

I wouldn't give up my job to leave. If lost my job & options not attractive would think about it but not sure where jobs are in worldwide recession. TBH not clear how jobs in my sector affected as I haven't looked.

**Royal rover** · 04/02/2009, 3:42 PM

my story as bit different - i moved back to the UK at the end of the boom in early 2007 - like Mr o'shea i work in IT in FS - and lived in a bed sit for about year,- wasn't very attracive for bringing ladies back trust me. anyway my phone was ringing every day up to the summer 2008, headhunters etc, things changed dramtically in August i decided to gamble walk from my job and try something else, moved to scotland in september and after spending a total of 6 years living in england i think it's far nicer, i'm 30 now , i was told i mad to leave london etc by everyone but so far so good, i still owe the banks a fair amount of cash from my days in dublin "(2003- 2006) and it kills me paying them in stg back into euro, but i'm lucky i can afford it, what i would say to anyone thinking about it is - if you have no real dependencies like kids, etc, and their maybe opportuniites wherever do it, don't listen to what anyone says parents, family, otherwise , i always found when living at home that people had an obsession with property ,most my age must wishing they didn't own one nowdays, the reality is you have nothing to lose by doing it?

**irishultra** · 04/02/2009, 3:56 PM

no not with the currentl climate as all of the EU and the rest of the developed world are in a recession(laughable all the people emmigrating to Australia atm)

however i have a few things I want to do
1.live with my grandparents in gweedore for a bit...i love the west of ireland and ireland as a country in general but socially a lot of changes really need to happen.

2.probably will spend some time in paris, berlin and maby somewhere south of spain(is there any cities in southern spain that actually have proper industries and not just holiday homes?)

**Bald Student** · 04/02/2009, 4:01 PM

I'm off to Oz in a month. I'll let yee all know how I get on.

If yee're thinking of following, being under 30 (and ideally under 25) is a big advantage in the immigration process.