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[luka]

They were told at a meeting wedensday that there was cuts being made so that the committee could have a budget for the players and manager.

I think you'll find they were told at the meeting there will be cut backs being made and not that there were cut backs being made to facilitate a budget for players and Manager. Things do tend to grow legs and anyway, this particular part of buisness doesn't belong on a forum to be honest. All that discussing this on a forum does is cause more unease. It's between the employees involved and the Club.

[pcplod]

Hang on there now a minute luka yes they were told that the cutbacks were being made to facilitate a playing budget and I am sure if you ask any of the staff they will tell you same. This might cause unease with some people but I feel that people should know the facts because I for one am sick of being hoodwinked when it comes to the financical situation within our club. I am not adding legs to this story so I suggest that you get your story straight before preaching because I have my facts correct.

[luka]

Facts or no facts. It doesn't belong in the public domain. Doing so could have an adverse affect on either party. The cut backs are being instigated yes but it's only at the beginning of the process. It would also be deemed very inappropriate for any employer to put it to the employees as you say it was. Personally I wouldn't be too pleased to be reading this if I was one of those employees. I might want to take it further and seeing it blasted all over the internet wouldn't be helping any would it. All this is doing is causing more unease FFS. Don't you and others think we've had enough of that over the past twelve months.

[pcplod]

It is inappropiate to say the least that it was put to the staff in this way but the fact of the matter is that it was end of. As for causing more conflict thats a joke everyone and his dog knows the business of cobh ramblers and I can assure you that not all their info is gotten from the forums so talking about it on here is irrelevant and I thought you for one would also see it that way.

Botom line is that it is a disgrace what has went on and unless we have changes fast then this behaviour will finish this club off once and for all.

To cut back on the one side of the business that is ahead of targets and is keeping the place open is absolute madness and people need to know this.

[luka]

All I'm trying to say to you is that it really isn't fair to either party that this is being discussed here. I'm just waiting for someone to say that the members weren't consulted about this before they executed it.

[pcplod]

The last time we were in a meeting we were told that there is no money for a playing budget end of and even with these cuts in place there still isnt €2000+ a week for one and that is my main point here we cannot afford to pay for a manager and players no matter what way it is dressed up and disguised

[the sub]

The last time we were in a meeting we were told that there is no money for a playing budget end of and even with these cuts in place there still isnt €2000+ a week for one and that is my main point here we cannot afford to pay for a manager and players no matter what way it is dressed up and disguised

Don't know where you getting this info from but a luka said not a place to make statements about hear say and as employees that is between them and their employers.
Can I say this again I hate repeating myself.... NO PLAYERS HAVE HAD MEETINGS WITH MANAGERS OR COMMETTE WITH REGARDS TO GETTING PAYED. I know this for FACT, I know most of the players... no discussions have taken place with regards to what is happing until Cobh know your status. Maybe their is a reduction in hours thus pay because not enough people are going into your club house to drink throughout the week, like many, many businesses throughout Ireland ... did you ever think of that .

[Redshanks]

Sub might be right about no meeting having taken place between players and committee, but the latter certainly are working hard to scrape together a manager/player budget, and yes it was conceeded after being asked by a club employee that the proposed cuts were intended to go towards a player budget.

So if everyone who is concerned about this big f -up remains silent about these things and waits to see how it pans out, as they are being asked to do by Sub and Luka, what should they do later -if and when they learn that contracts were signed involving money the club doesnt have and without their knowlegde and consent?

Can and will those contracts be unsigned?

[luka]

Eight players at training last night. I hope there's enough paper left for the contracts themselves. I'm not asking anyone to be silent. I just believe that there might be legal issues involved in this and that's between employer and employee. In the normal buisness world an employer cannot dismiss one person to employ another as could be argued with this situation, however, the job of cleaner and Manager for instance cannot be compared unless part of the managers job description is that he also does the cleaning. Could it also be argued that the Members are the employers?

The Sub does appear to have the correct information though and we need to assume that it is indeed fact until we are told otherwise by the 'Top Table'.

[pcplod]

I never said that the contracts had been signed what I said was that thr top table as you put it were trying to get a playing budget even though we were told very clearly that there is no money. As for waiting to be told thats a joke right they told us last time that they would not pay the players if there was nothing in the budget to allow it but we wouldnt be having this conversation if this were true now would we

[luka]

I never said that the contracts had been signed

I don't think anyone said you did........

[Beezer]

this is like a soap opera.

[the sub]

this is like a soap opera.

But the actors are getting paid

[luka]

But the actors are getting paid

Nah........that's only a rumour. I was told by one fella in the pub down the road that there will be an actor's budget alright and payment on a weekly basis as opposed to just luncheon expenses and a twice yearly payment. Bit of aballs though getting rid of and cutting some of the Xtras to compensate for the actors