Séamus Coleman (D Everton b.1988)

**ArdeeBhoy** · 06/10/2013, 8:12 PM

Hmm, there seems to be a very selective use of them here.

Coleman's a decent player, but not infallible, regardless of any stats.
Does that help...

**Grafter** · 06/10/2013, 8:20 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Hmm, there seems to be a very selective use of them here.

Coleman's a decent player, but not infallible, regardless of any stats.
Does that help...

There a lot of weight on Coleman's shoulders for him to be our one world class marquee player.... people forget he was only in and out of the Everton team in 2012..... he's a fine fullback like Steve Finnan was.... no doubt Finnan would have had similar expectations heaped upon him had he not played in a team with the two Keanes, Duff etc

**ArdeeBhoy** · 06/10/2013, 8:40 PM

Tbf, wouldn't expect that of him. Just a decent established EPL (or similar) player will do for me.

The type of status that you allude to, is surely more for a certain team-mate, if you believe some on here?

**paul_oshea** · 07/10/2013, 1:11 PM

So he gave away a penalty.....

**tricky_colour** · 07/10/2013, 10:51 PM

He didn't give away a penalty the ref was hoodwinked by the dive and gave a penalty.
It was a refereeing error, the player should have been sent off for diving.

**Crosby87** · 16/10/2013, 11:41 AM

Liverpudlian Echo: Coleman a diamond in the green rough.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...hining-6187948

**Emmet7** · 16/10/2013, 11:55 AM

He's a decent player going forward. But he's an unpolished diamond defensively. There's a time for dribbling and a time for getting rid of it quickly particularly in the box. His fresh air volley last night was awful and he's prone to making mistakes like that which cost goals. It's no use being good attacking if you are going to give away goals like that.

**SwanVsDalton** · 16/10/2013, 12:01 PM

In fairness to Coleman it was a bad mistake but he said it himself - nine times out of ten you get away with it. No one would've mentioned a thing about it post-match except it resulted in a 30-yard screamer.

I agree he needs to cut out the mistakes but do think he's improving defensively.

**wonder88** · 16/10/2013, 12:31 PM

Two poor games for Ireland this week, however he is a good player who I think will improve further. I used to watch him at Sligo a few years back and then you could see that his defending was not of the best. However he has made great progress and he has a good chance of maybe becoming the top european player the comedy panel on RTE think he already is.

**Stuttgart88** · 16/10/2013, 2:39 PM

I didn't think he was poor at all. One mad swipe for their goal, but otherwise very industrious and proactive.

I watched the second half again just now. Coleman was in their half nearly the whole time and had some nice interplay with Reid at times. He's very comfortable receiving the ball in tight situations, a great asset.

**tetsujin1979** · 16/10/2013, 2:56 PM

he was playing in front of where I was sitting in the first half, thought it took him a long time to recover from the mistake that led to the goal, but he wasn't given much cover by Doyle in front of him.

**tricky_colour** · 16/10/2013, 5:49 PM

He should have had a free kick, he was obstructed just after that.
The goal should have not have stood.

He was barged several paces out of the way, that is illegal.
]Someone should tell the Kazahk player it is not American football!!

Clear foul.

**DannyInvincible** · 16/10/2013, 6:56 PM

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

He should have had a free kick, he was obstructed just after that.
The goal should have not have stood.

He was barged several paces out of the way, that is illegal.
]Someone should tell the Kazahk player it is not American football!!

Clear foul.

Just watching the goal again here (from 1:30) and I'm not so sure:

I think you're making more out of it than is warranted. There was contact, certainly, but the momentum of both players - and Coleman was already somewhat off-kilter in a hasty effort to re-collect the ball after his air-kick - was taking them in that direction anyway, so perhaps it looked like Coleman was on the receiving end of a good oul' GAA-shtyle barge. It would have been very harsh on Kazakhstan to rule the goal out and award us a free out. I've rarely seen free-kicks given for that; what was a fairly paltry coming together of bodies. It was no more than a light budge. We deservedly paid the price for a careless error.

**tricky_colour** · 16/10/2013, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Just watching the goal again here (from 1:30) and I'm not so sure:

I think you're making more out of it than is warranted. There was contact, certainly, but the momentum of both players - and Coleman was already somewhat off-kilter in a hasty effort to re-collect the ball after his air-kick - was taking them in that direction anyway, so perhaps it looked like Coleman was on the receiving end of a good oul' GAA-shtyle barge. It would have been very harsh on Kazakhstan to rule the goal out and award us a free out. I've rarely seen free-kicks given for that; what was a fairly paltry coming together of bodies. It was no more than a light budge. We deservedly paid the price for a careless error.

It looks different from different angles but look at the first shot of it.
You can see Coleman running along the line of the grass cutting but he is shoved off at about 45% degree by the Kazak.
The Kazak does not attempt to get the ball but clear a path for his colleague to shoot.
Seems to me he goes beyond what is permissible

Found one set of rules

As defined below, is a "Shoulder Charge" legal in the LIJ travel league for BU15?

Shoulder Charge:
(aka "Fair Charging"). A type of "tackle" which can be legally used to try to "win" (i.e., gain possession of) the ball. To be legal, it:
(a) cannot take place from behind
(b) is only permitted within playing distance (i.e., 3 feet) of the ball
(c) cannot be violent or dangerous
(d) must be intended to win the ball & not just to knock down the opponent
(e) must be shoulder to shoulder (not to the opponents chest or back) with the arms (especially elbows) close to the body
(f) the player must have at least one foot on the ground (i.e., he can't leap).

Seems to me much of the charge is outside 3 feet of the ball, hence it is an illegal shove, but I guess it is open to interpretation.

Don't want to sound like sour grapes or whatever, I don't' begrudge the Kazaks the goal but I don't believe Coleman made a mistake leading to a goal, it leads to a foul IMO it you take the letter of the law.

Having said that, it was a cracking goal

**Charlie Darwin** · 16/10/2013, 10:45 PM

It's a fair shoulder. It's OK, tricky, it's over. We won. You don't need to contest this.

**tricky_colour** · 16/10/2013, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

It's a fair shoulder. It's OK, tricky, it's over. We won. You don't need to contest this.

Bit late for that, I have already fired off a letter to FIFA.

**Charlie Darwin** · 16/10/2013, 11:12 PM

I hope you suggested including us as the 33rd team. That always goes over well I find.

**tricky_colour** · 17/10/2013, 2:32 AM

It's the least they could do.

**SwanVsDalton** · 17/10/2013, 8:36 AM

Do the recipients of the 'Best Fans in the World' award not get an extra place in finals? That's why I thought were we singing Fields of Athenry for 70 minutes.

**Kingdom** · 17/10/2013, 9:44 AM

I like that Coleman always, and I mean always, looks to play football first. It happened in Germany before their goal where he tried to take on Schurrle at the bye-line, and Schurrle outpaced him, and won possession back. He was undeterred though, and showed some wonderful skill to keep possession and the ball alive (as did Glenn Whelan in fairness) before Stokes lost the ball.

I think it's become a bit of a theme with him, that when he tries to keep the ball alive, in what his irish peers might consider to be unorthodox situations, that they aren't prepared, or jittery -call it what you want. That's a problem that his team-mates need to resolve, rather than Seamus in my opinion.

Mistakes like the fresh air happen. Look at it this way, the two fresh air's in the two matches cost us two goals (stokes v germany) but thankfully in the second game it wasn't a decisive blow.