S�amus Coleman (D Everton b.1988)

**Predator** · 29/12/2010, 1:56 PM

Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

He has a goal and an assist from his last 2 or 3 games. If that is out of his depth, how good is a winger who is in his depth?????

As geysir pointed out, Coleman seems to be the luckiest footballer alive. He has been doing a great job as a stand in winger and Moyes has acknowledged this. However, he has also acknowledged that Coleman is not a natural winger, nor the long-term solution to Everton's right-wing problem. In fact, Moyes actually criticised Coleman's concentration and awareness at right-wing but conceded that, considering the circumstances, he had done well. I'd love to see him playing at RB for a while to see how he gets on in the Premiership.

**tricky_colour** · 29/12/2010, 2:41 PM

Who was it who said the more I practise the luckier I get?

I think it was a golfer want it?

Google will tell me.....Gary Player.

**Yard of Pace** · 29/12/2010, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by Predator

As geysir pointed out, Coleman seems to be the luckiest footballer alive. He has been doing a great job as a stand in winger and Moyes has acknowledged this. However, he has also acknowledged that Coleman is not a natural winger, nor the long-term solution to Everton's right-wing problem. In fact, Moyes actually criticised Coleman's concentration and awareness at right-wing but conceded that, considering the circumstances, he had done well. I'd love to see him playing at RB for a while to see how he gets on in the Premiership.

Concentration and awareness are things that can be worked on. He's young and it's his first full season in the EPL, I don't get the need to label him as either/or. He's quick, can beat a man, has an eye for goal, can provide good crosses....natural winger or not he's got several of the attributes needed already.

**Stuttgart88** · 29/12/2010, 4:39 PM

Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Don't be making excuses for him, no reason for him not to get the shot on target at the very least. Worrying. We'll see if he still gets a game once Moyes brings in his new right winger come January.

Are we talking about the one he took with his left foot, trying to hit it into the far corner after cutting inside and making space for himself well? He could have done better alright but better players than Coleman have missed similar oportunities. I'm not sure I can remember the last time I saw a right-back beat a few players and curl a left footed shot into the corner. But it's worrying alright. In fact it's ruined my Christmas.

**Colbert Report** · 29/12/2010, 7:02 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Are we talking about the one he took with his left foot, trying to hit it into the far corner after cutting inside and making space for himself well? He could have done better alright but better players than Coleman have missed similar oportunities. I'm not sure I can remember the last time I saw a right-back beat a few players and curl a left footed shot into the corner. But it's worrying alright. In fact it's ruined my Christmas.

Take off the green glasses, a better player would have gotten the shot on target at the very least.

**SkStu** · 29/12/2010, 7:14 PM

its hardly worrying though, is it?

**Charlie Darwin** · 29/12/2010, 7:21 PM

Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Take off the green glasses, a better player would have gotten the shot on target at the very least.

You are correct - a better player would definitely have done it better than the player he's better than. The real question should be why you think this is in some way relevant.

**Stuttgart88** · 29/12/2010, 8:29 PM

I've seen Van Persie and Arshavin miss the target badly from similar positions in the last few weeks. I've just watched Torres not even beating his man like Coleman did. A footballer missing a chance isn't worrying. A footballer consistently missing chances is.

**tricky_colour** · 29/12/2010, 8:54 PM

I think he is joint second Irish goalscorer in the Premiership.

He also has scored one more than Wayne Rooney, so not too bad.

**Predator** · 29/12/2010, 9:07 PM

Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

Concentration and awareness are things that can be worked on. He's young and it's his first full season in the EPL, I don't get the need to label him as either/or. He's quick, can beat a man, has an eye for goal, can provide good crosses....natural winger or not he's got several of the attributes needed already.

Fair point and I agree. I was just pointing out that Moyes, a seasoned Premiership manager, does not consider him a winger in the long term, for whatever reason. Not yet at least.

**tricky_colour** · 30/12/2010, 1:27 AM

I think it's better if a player is not one dimensional and can play in several positions.
A good player should be able to do a job pretty much anywhere on the pitch.
At the end of the day you are only kicking a bag of air.

**elroy** · 30/12/2010, 9:36 PM

Its the lads first season at the top level, so far he has excelled. Is he the complete player? God no, has he ooddles of development left in him? for sure. Lads the guy has been a revelation this season and is on course for at least a nomination for young player of the season. The more he plays, the more he will develop, from both an attacking and defensive perspective.

**irishfan86** · 31/12/2010, 12:53 AM

Coleman's emergence is the highlight of the Irish Abroad this season. Hard to say there's been any other Irish player in Europe this season with as positive a story.

Yes he has plenty to learn but in my view we haven't had a player emerge with his sort of explosive ability since Duff.

**tricky_colour** · 31/12/2010, 5:11 PM

Some misses from Berbatov and Nani.

Berbatov'ss chance is ten times easier then Colemans.

**Predator** · 31/12/2010, 7:44 PM

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

I think it's better if a player is not one dimensional and can play in several positions.
A good player should be able to do a job pretty much anywhere on the pitch.
At the end of the day you are only kicking a bag of air.

In my last post I was going to raise the age old view that a good player can play anywhere, but I'm not sure how true it really is. You definitely get players who are good in several positions, but you have others who excel tremendously in one or two particular areas. I wouldn't trust Messi at centre half just as I wouldn't put money on Richard Dunne ever turning into a great striker if he said he preferred scoring goals. Versatility can certainly be a strength, but it can also be to a player's detriment in my opinion. I would rather a player was allowed to focus on refining his game in one position (his natural position, if you will), than to be thrown in at several different positions only to amount to an average utility player. However, as long as Moyes gets the best out of Coleman, that's all that matters I suppose.

**elroy** · 01/01/2011, 1:08 PM

Perhaps and you could argue it had an adverse effect on JOSH that it was played in numerous different positions over a few seasons following his breakthrough to the first team. However, arguably his versatility across the back 4 is now one of his assets. He can put in a good shift at RB and CB and to a lesser extent LB.

RB and RM require many similar attributes. So I wouldnt be so concerned about Coleman. I think for now, playing RM is great for him gaining experience. If he is to be a RB in future he does have some work to do on his defensive abilities.