Listened to it on the radio in the car. The post match commentary said there were a 'few' boos - fairly minor.
I would have liked Coleman to get a shot but right side is not a priority for change for this team.
As we all know,
LB is a priority - Cunningham got 90mins
CM is also a priority - Fahey got 90 mins (and we know we have Green, Gibson, Andrews to come back) Wilson, McCarthy, Meyler may get a chance in Feb.
Striker is also a priority in terms of having a 3rd choice - Long, Walters both got a shot.
RB we have cover - O'Shea as we know can play there, Kelly would appear to be next in line, Foley got 20 minutes (Perhaps Foley got the nod ahead of Coleman because he has been around the squad longer, more premiership appearances and experience, has featured before).
RM we have cover - Lawrence/McGeady have it to fight over. We know that the Left and Right are interchangable as well so include Duff, Hunt, Fahey (I wont upset anyone by including Keogh!!)
So its no big issue. Coleman and Wilson will hopefully get a chance in February against Wales, though that could depend on how things are looking ahead of the game against Macedonia in March - again Id imagine Trap will want as close to a starting line up for that game as he can get.
Last edited by Junior; 18/11/2010 at 9:51 AM. Reason: Cunningham / Coleman mixup
I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
"No, I drink to help me mind my own business....can I get you one? (c) Ronnie Drew
Ball bag.Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I agree that Coleman should have got a run-out, but I don't understand the hysteria. As has been said, right-hand side isn't a huge priority. Coleman has the talent and potential to go far, but as I said in another thread, so did Stephen McPhail, Sean Thornton, Barry Quinn, Michael Reddy, Alan Quinn, Liam Miller, Jason Gavin and Stephen Elliott. All of these guys made an impact in the EPL (in Miller's case, even Champions League) over the last decade or more, but never went on to fulfill their promise. Nothing is ever certain with young players.
What type of player is Paul Green?
Strong in the tackle, ploughs up the ground, but with the footwork finesse of a bull in a china shop. Tends to kow-tow to superior opposition.
Unfair, perhaps, but that might make him a Ball Ox...
Coleman is not considered by Moyes to be the final answer to Everton's right wing problem. That said, he's doing an admirable job filling in. It's interesting to note that he eventually reverted to full back in their most recent game too. Coleman could have come on at right back but the injury to O'Dea meant that Trap stuck with the greater experience of Foley.
Foley only has about 2 or 3 caps.
I was waiting on that. He has greater experience than Coleman.
You offered me the bait and I went for it hook, line and sinker.
Completely wasted opportunity by Trappatoni not to have used Coleman.
Why bring on McGeady whom we have all seen so many times, and know exactly his attributes (few) and limitations (many)
Coleman is in red hot form at the moment.
Probably his biggest mistake was doing the Irish Times interview. Cardinal Trappatoni was obviously not going to "give in to media pressure"
Well the main thing is not how the team actually performs. The important thing is that we all know who is in charge
"Everyone was booing". What a laugh. A couple of hundred at best.
"Everyone was roariong to bring on Seamy" - I didn't hear one chant to that effect but if there was, I missed it.
The decision isn't that baffling really. He picks the same team because that's the team he wants to play and other than for friendlies, he doesn't get a chance to iron out difficulties with that team. Putting Coleman on for 30 minutes will tell him nothing really. He's not of the "give them a run" mentality.
I can see it from both sides of the fence. As fans (called customers by the PA Announcer) we want to see Coleman. As a manger he wants to continue ironing out difficulties with the side and players he will play.
He is causing himself difficulties with some fans though but he will never be sacked even if the boo boys become the majority- FAI can't afford the pay off.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
I am a great fan of Seamie, used to watch him when I lived in Sligo, but I really worry for the lads Irish future after seeing that Eamon Dunphy has been singing his praises in today's Star, after having seen him play in a game on television last sunday apparently. Despite Dunphy's endorsement I still think Seamus has a great future at the highest level possibly in midfield and I wish him all the best
Based on my hope that Coleman would get a start, and didn't, the most overwhelming feeling I have is schadenfreden.
After the shambolic Irish performance, I can say that for the first time I was genuinely pleased that Ireland got popped by Europe's second most defensive team -- bringing on Walters was the final straw.
I mean you can't have it both ways, saying on the one hand that defensively Coleman is a liability that's why you want to keep your formation and then bring on a relative unknown to try and salvage the game.
It's a results business, if he keeps going the way he is, he'll soon be on his deaf lug.
Never mind Shamie. With a great club career ahead of him -- in time, when Trappatoni fails to utilise the limited armory he has, Coleman will become an important cog in the the Irish set up.
Of course, Dunphy will wave the Coleman flag, he's had a grudge against Trapp since the 'Andy Reid' debate and/or Stephen Ireland debacle -- on this point, Dunphy's unassailable.
Despite, Coleman BEING one of the few genuine rising stars of Irish football cutting it at the top grade, whatever chance he had of starting in his non-game, along with giving Ireland some desperately needed attack power, he'll have little into the future, based on Trapp's priorities. Ireland's loss.
Well as long as Trap thinks that its more important to turn up at the FAI Cup final instead of checking out Coleman playing in the premiership against Arsenal then he'll never know what he can offer as an attacking threat. Don't worry Trap, I'm sure all the blazers were delighted with your PR stunt, your bound to get another few years added onto your contract if you keep up that brown nosing.
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
Give me a break. Who cares if he was there or not!! What exact purpose did it serve?? Made all the worse when he said the following day that only sees Coleman as a right back, if he'd bothered turning up to see him play live he may have got a different perspective. Maybe I'm alone but I for one would have much preferred to see him at Goodison checking out our best current player in the premiership and not licking up to John Delaney and his pals.
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
Well, it seems to me that Trap does not pay ENOUGH attention to the premier league in England.
We need him to be keeping tabs on players that have a chance to get into the Irish squad, with no disrespect to the players on show that day. Our clubs are a stepping stone to the next level which Coleman has now stepped up to. I'd have no problem if he was over and back all the time watching our players in action but its a ridiculous that one of the few times he bother to get up off his a*** to come over from Italy that he decides to ignore a great opportunity to see him action in favour of a PR stunt.
He reminds me of our politicians, who are more concerned about local politics than looking at the bigger picture of whats best for the country.
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
He did a pretty good job keeping an eye on players like Greg Cunningham, Caleb Folan and Paul Green I'd imagine you hadn't heard of
Don't see what the issue with Trap being at the FAI cup final was. It is the finale of the season of LOI football, and you're going to get figures like him at the game. He might even have noticed that passing the ball can be effective at times.
Whatever games he missed in England (Everton by the looks of it) by his attendance at the FAI cup final, he can make up for on any of the 51 weekends of the year he isn't watching LOI football. If the criticism is that he's not paying enough attention to prospects in England/elsewhere, it certainly isn't because of his insistence on wathcing LOI. It's a non-issue really.
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