S�amus Coleman (D Everton b.1988)

**tricky_colour** · 08/12/2013, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

Maybe Tricky has Everton down as one of the title contenders.

Obviously

With Coleman and McCarthy the sky's the limit!
As I said if Man City beat Arsenal it gives a chance to Man City Liverpool Chelsea Everton and even Spurs at 66-1.
Everton have only lost one match this season so they must have a chance.

**tricky_colour** · 08/12/2013, 5:39 PM

Originally Posted by tommy_c12000

How did Seamus and James play?

Both played OK as did the whole team, Seamus was not too involved, a lot of play
was going down the left side, I felt they could have used Coleman more they don't
seem to pass to him though. He did have a shot which was not far off. Also he was
near the goal they conceded but there was not much he could have done about it.
Was a great equaliser from some young Spanish kid they have, there were struggling for a
goal before that.

**Stuttgart88** · 08/12/2013, 6:40 PM

I saw it differently. Coleman was up and down the touch line all night and saw plenty of the ball. McCarthy looked confident and did a lot of unspectacular but important work. I think both did well in an excellent team performance by Everton

**Charlie Darwin** · 08/12/2013, 6:50 PM

Was very impressed by Everton. I think they're possibly a couple of players short of being able to dominate games against top four opposition, but for long periods tonight they bossed Arsenal. McCarthy was excellent and Coleman was good, though his passing and general control was sloppy at times. It's a pity Darron Gibson did himself a mischief.

**tricky_colour** · 08/12/2013, 7:35 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I saw it differently. Coleman was up and down the touch line all night and saw plenty of the ball. McCarthy looked confident and did a lot of unspectacular but important work. I think both did well in an excellent team performance by Everton

Yea I suppose he was more involved than I suggested but not in an eye catching spectacular way as you say it
was more of a team performance from Everton. think it was Barkley who stood out for Everton he got a 9
on sky sports, McCarthy 8 Coleman 7

**tricky_colour** · 08/12/2013, 7:39 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Was very impressed by Everton. I think they're possibly a couple of players short of being able to dominate games against top four opposition, but for long periods tonight they bossed Arsenal. McCarthy was excellent and Coleman was good, though his passing and general control was sloppy at times. It's a pity Darron Gibson did himself a mischief.

Whilst Everton has posession they didn't seem to crate good chances with it at least not until the sub came on and scored. Aresnal look a lot more dangerous going forward they cut right through the Everton defense at times but then failed to put it in the net, the except for their one goal. They hit the bar late on too.

**elroy** · 08/12/2013, 8:40 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I saw it differently. Coleman was up and down the touch line all night and saw plenty of the ball. McCarthy looked confident and did a lot of unspectacular but important work. I think both did well in an excellent team performance by Everton

Would agree with this assessment. Would prefer McCarthy to impose himself a bit more in the end, doesnt seem to demand the ball too often but having said that certainly is growing in stature at Everton, was his best performance for them that I have seen.

**Crosby87** · 09/12/2013, 12:20 AM

Is Coleman the best right back in the EPL?

**nigel-harps1954** · 09/12/2013, 12:32 AM

Seriously, why hasn't be been called up yet? Come on Hodgson, get the finger out...

**Charlie Darwin** · 09/12/2013, 12:39 AM

Call him up Roy!

**SkStu** · 09/12/2013, 12:53 AM

Roy Hodgson to managed England!

**SkStu** · 09/12/2013, 12:59 AM

BTW caught the first 35 minutes only (had to go to mass) and Coleman and McCarthy were both silently effective. Everton were completely dominant in that period by the way though Barkley and Pienaar were the fulcrum of the attacking. McCarthy broke up Arsenal attacks and moved the ball on and Coleman defended very, very well (his first job) and had a couple of canters on the overlap to varying degrees of effectiveness.

Still haven't seen Gerard Deulofeu's goal. Heard it was good.

**Charlie Darwin** · 09/12/2013, 1:03 AM

You switched off more or less exactly when Arsenal took control. They dominated from 35/40 minutes up until the half hour, then Everton took control back. I think Everton shaded possession in the end but not sure.

Deulofeu's goal was a cracker. Hit so hard the goalkeeper had no chance. It looked like it took a deflection but I suspect it just moved in the air.

**DeLorean** · 10/12/2013, 8:36 AM

Everton had 56% possession, an amazing achievement at The Emirates really. To think they probably threw away six points in their first three games also, they could really be up there challenging.

**paul_oshea** · 10/12/2013, 10:53 AM

An interesting stat also, along with that 56% but 11 of Evertons 23 goals have come from loanees. THe main difference between what martinez has done and Moyes is his knack for loan signings or late signings, getting McCarthy, Delafalou and Barry in near the window, and giving barkley and oviedo their chances has been key. Martinez always had Wigan performing well against the big teams it was the smaller ones around the lower half that were the problem. He still seems to have that problem, they drew with Palace 0-0 when you would really have expected them to pick up the full 3 points.

I think they will trail off towards the latter half but christmas will be a big test with the size of their squad and the quality of the bench that they have.

**DeLorean** · 10/12/2013, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

An interesting stat also, along with that 56% but 11 of Evertons 23 goals have come from loanees. THe main difference between what martinez has done and Moyes is his knack for loan signings or late signings, getting McCarthy, Delafalou and Barry in near the window

Not to mention that Lukaku fella!

**geysir** · 10/12/2013, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

An interesting stat also, along with that 56% but 11 of Evertons 23 goals have come from loanees. THe main difference between what martinez has done and Moyes is his knack for loan signings or late signings, getting McCarthy, Delafalou and Barry in near the window, and giving barkley and oviedo their chances has been key. Martinez always had Wigan performing well against the big teams it was the smaller ones around the lower half that were the problem. He still seems to have that problem, they drew with Palace 0-0 when you would really have expected them to pick up the full 3 points.

I think they will trail off towards the latter half but christmas will be a big test with the size of their squad and the quality of the bench that they have.

Martinez's overall record against top 6 teams is probably average for a bottom 1/3 club like Wigan. At the end of 2011 /12 season, Wigan had two big crucial winning performances against Man U and away at Arsenal, those games might have coloured your perception. Apart from those 2 games, Wigan usually got humped by the top teams.

**paul_oshea** · 10/12/2013, 12:57 PM

I wasn't speaking only in terms of the Premiership.

**DeLorean** · 10/12/2013, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

Martinez's overall record against top 6 teams is probably average for a bottom 1/3 club like Wigan. At the end of 2011 /12 season, Wigan had two big crucial winning performances against Man U and away at Arsenal, those games might have coloured your perception. Apart from those 2 games, Wigan usually got humped by the top teams.

I remember them coming from two down to beat Arsenal 3-2 late some other season as well and often got a result off Liverpool. For a team that were often in the bottom three for the majority of the season, I think they were more capable than most of performing against the big boys. They did take a fair few hidings in their time also though and had a terrible record against United bar that one crucial win.

**geysir** · 10/12/2013, 3:57 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I wasn't speaking only in terms of the Premiership.

The Cup Final win was brilliant, but your statement still doesn't cut the mustard, not by a long shot. Wigan got regularly tanked by the big teams in the EPL. In 3 seasons against the top 6, played 36 W 5 D 6 L25.
It's an okay record but would it surprise you to be informed that Wolves who finished below Wigan 2010/11, have a much better record against the top 6 teams in that season?
Wolves W4 D1 Wigan w1 d4. Sunderland had a better record than them in 2012/13. Only in one season did Wigan have a slightly better record than their closest team in the table.
I don't think you have offered an example of Martinez's strengths as a manager, well naturally, seeing as your example is not supported -- cough ... cough - in the real world .
In the 2011/12 season where he won those big games against Man U and Arsenal to survive, his team were muck around end of December/January. They couldn't play the football he wanted them to play, they were doomed, no hope. He persisted (supportive board) and got them back on track in February. IMO, his crowning glory as a manager at Wigan came late in that season, was still playing their game in the most pressurised of situations against Arsenal & Man U, and prevailing. He probably could have managed to keep them up in the last season, but I'd say the cup run took its toll. He has a much better squad now to work with, I can see him staying in the top 6.