S�amus Coleman (D Everton b.1988)

**Fixer82** · 20/03/2011, 9:57 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Now that would be quality, with back to goal, a quick side step and turn and face the posts and bang over the bar

He could always do it if/when he is flagged for offside. so what for a yellow? He will be the first player to ever score a point on a permiership ground.

SQUARE BALL REF!!!

**geysir** · 20/03/2011, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Hmmm, good spot.

Paul pulls one back.

Paul 1 Pedants 3,501

**paul_oshea** · 20/03/2011, 3:43 PM

i like to set myself a realistic challenge.mind you i don't remember anyone quoting an example before

**elroy** · 20/03/2011, 10:13 PM

Video: Deserved praise for Coleman from Moyes:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?v...224538&cc=5739

**tricky_colour** · 21/03/2011, 1:39 AM

Also here talking about the goal.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?v...224538&cc=5739
I thought he took it well, as she mentioned, he had a lot of time, enough time to think too much and make a complete
hash of it, but he kept calm and made it look easy. Impressive.

**DannyInvincible** · 22/03/2011, 3:46 PM

Moyes hails Coleman's progress.

'The level of where he has come from means he must be close to young player of the year,' said Moyes.

'He's had no real footballing experience at this level, or any level at all, very little full-time training and very little technical work so we hope there is going to be more improvement,' the Everton boss added, perhaps being over critical of Sligo.

'He's a right-back playing one on and he might be better one on; we don't know yet.

'One of his biggest strengths is his lack of inhibitions carrying the ball. You won't get him to be the best passer and keeper of the ball, but he's given us something else and coming from deep will help him improve as a defender in years to come.'

Coleman, a goalscorer in the Toffees' victory over Fulham at the weekend, is likely to play for the Republic of Ireland in Saturday's Euro 2012 qualifier against Macedonia at the Aviva Stadium.

Moyes admits they are fortunate to have benefited from Coleman's swift progress.

'He was sixty grand and he's done a brilliant job for us,' he told the Liverpool Echo.

'He's been up and down but he's going to be up and down - you don't find an absolute diamond for that money.

'It's very rare that happens so there will be times when he doesn't look completely comfortable.'

**Scooby Doo** · 22/03/2011, 3:52 PM

Read the article - arguably a bit of an unflattering assessment of Sligo from Moyes.

**paul_oshea** · 22/03/2011, 4:25 PM

More than that at times its quite unflattering to Coleman. Instead of being so brutally honest he could have just used the great term "raw".

Perhaps its a way of motivating him but its perverse in the sense that he doesn't feel like he has found a diamond in the rough, and not even a rough diamond (who needs polishing before geysir doesn't cop on and says im not making any sense as usual) but a silver bullet. If a guy isn't technically gifted no matter how much he practices he isn't going to be technically gifted - reading Moyes assessment he is saying he isn't the most technically gifted but he has done a good job because of that fact, and where he has come from.

**DannyInvincible** · 22/03/2011, 4:51 PM

Perhaps it's better for a manager to be honest with his players. For example, it would appear that Alex Ferguson has Darron Gibson under the belief that he can be United's next midfield maestro. Arguably, this isn't of any benefit to Gibson in the long-run at all, as the likelihood of him becoming anything more than a squad player at United is slim. And so, content as he is to sit on the bench and provide Ferguson with an eternal back-up option, his development stagnates whilst he could be elsewhere in the Premier League playing regularly, albeit at a level not as glamorous as United.

**gustavo** · 23/03/2011, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Scooby Doo

Read the article - arguably a bit of an unflattering assessment of Sligo from Moyes.

Definitely insulting to us and the League of Ireland

**pineapple stu** · 23/03/2011, 11:16 AM

Interesting that the article editor saw fit to challenge it. Very rare you'd see anything other than a copy and paste job with regards football on RT�.

**cornflakes** · 23/03/2011, 11:29 AM

Seems Moyes is trying to take all the credit for Coleman.

**ifk101** · 23/03/2011, 11:37 AM

A dig at Don Givens and the U21s as well. tut tut

**passinginterest** · 23/03/2011, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by gustavo

Definitely insulting to us and the League of Ireland

I'm not sure it's all that offensive. Coleman was picked up at an extremely late age, he was primarily a GAA player until he was about 18. Moyes is comparing him to the usual professional in England, most of whom have been involved with professional clubs and training from the age of about 12 at the very latest. In comparison to players like that Coleman's experience of professional football is negligible. That's not an insult to Sligo or to the League of Ireland in my view.

**DeLorean** · 23/03/2011, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by gustavo

Definitely insulting to us and the League of Ireland

Yeah, it's almost as if he doesn't realise what a high level Sligo are playing at. I mean surely playing against Sporting Fingal and Bray Wanderers is enough to prepare any player for Ashley Cole, Patrice Evra, etc.

Thought the comments about Coleman himself were worse really, almost making out that he's only a success relative to the money they parted for him. I wouldn't agree with this assessment at all. If he was signed from another PL team for �10m I'd still consider him a success, given the consistency of his performances.

**osarusan** · 23/03/2011, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Yeah, it's almost as if he doesn't realise what a high level Sligo are playing at. I mean surely playing against Sporting Fingal and Bray Wanderers is enough to prepare any player for Ashley Cole, Patrice Evra, etc.

Where did any LOI fan say that about the level of the LOI?

**DeLorean** · 23/03/2011, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

Where did any LOI fan say that about the level of the LOI?

Thought it was pretty obvious I was responding to what I quoted. Sorry if the unnecessary sarcasm confused you.

**DeLorean** · 23/03/2011, 12:04 PM

Where did my ignorance lay exactly? I've no problem with the standard of the LOI. It's obviously far inferior to the EPL, almost non-comparable in my opinion, and I think that's all Moyes was pointing out.

**Drumcondra 69er** · 23/03/2011, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by gustavo

Definitely insulting to us and the League of Ireland

I disagree entirely, Coleman only played 50 odd games for Sligo as far as I know, it's not as if he'd been playing LOI for years.

And I'd be a regular at Dalymount and a big LOI fan but I see very little wrong with his comments, Coleman was very raw when he got picked up and a lot of LOI fans would have said the same when Everton came in for him.

**cclinton** · 23/03/2011, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

If a guy isn't technically gifted no matter how much he practices he isn't going to be technically gifted - reading Moyes assessment he isn't saying he isn't the most technically gifted but he has done a good job because of that fact, and where he has come from.

Wheres did Moyes say technically gifted? ....assuming time is invested, Coleman will improve technically ... not sure where "gifted" comes into it.