S�amus Coleman (D Everton b.1988)

**Stuttgart88** · 16/11/2010, 8:02 AM

Coleman is an out and out wide player. Totally different skillset to playing in the middle.

**Crosby87** · 16/11/2010, 10:48 PM

How do you know he doesn't potentially have those skills though Stutts? He is only 22 right?

**Stuttgart88** · 17/11/2010, 11:09 AM

Because I can tell the difference between a guy who does his best work out wide and a guy who does his best work in the middle. They're very different skills. He alluded to it himself in his Irish Times interview yesterday, citing Arteta's passing and ability to find space that isn't there. Coleman's best attributes appear to be using his pace out wide and putting in telling square balls.

**paul_oshea** · 17/11/2010, 11:19 AM

You are making that assumption based know what you have seen of him so far.he seems quite direct alright a little like kilbane years ago but with a better first touch and general ball control.that's not to say that he might not have the attributes to be a midfielder.we just haventt seen it.interestingly midfielded was where he played mostly in gaelic I've been told.i know its a completely different game before anyone says anything but the position has similarities.

**Crosby87** · 17/11/2010, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Because I can tell the difference between a guy who does his best work out wide and a guy who does his best work in the middle. They're very different skills. He alluded to it himself in his Irish Times interview yesterday, citing Arteta's passing and ability to find space that isn't there. Coleman's best attributes appear to be using his pace out wide and putting in telling square balls.

Stutts do you work in football professionally? Im not trying to be a jerk, just asking. You seem very confident. It's neat if you do.

**paul_oshea** · 17/11/2010, 11:41 AM

Stutts is far too smart tko work in football

**Stuttgart88** · 17/11/2010, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

You are making that assumption based know what you have seen of him so far.he seems quite direct alright a little like kilbane years ago but with a better first touch and general ball control.that's not to say that he might not have the attributes to be a midfielder.we just haventt seen it.interestingly midfielded was where he played mostly in gaelic I've been told.i know its a completely different game before anyone says anything but the position has similarities.

True, but I like to simplify players' roles and think there is sufficient descriptive capacity in terms like "ball winner", "ball user" and "ball carrier" to categorise players. There are subtle differences. Take wide players: there's a big difference between a wide midfielder (think Lawrence for us, Pires at Arsenal - both "ball users") and a winger (think Duff - "ball carrier"). Lawrence & Pires-like players could arguably move inside, but Duff couldn't. I'll concede that Coleman maybe has just a bit of Lawrence in him, but he's got far more of Dave Langan in him - he looks born to be on the touchline. Coleman looks to me to be a "ball carrier" rather than a "ball user". He looks to do his best work wide, and at speed.

**geysir** · 17/11/2010, 1:18 PM

Lawrence reminds me of a poor mans Diego Forlan, still an achievement nevertheless

**Charlie Darwin** · 17/11/2010, 1:22 PM

I have wondered why Trap has never (to the best of my knowledge) tried Lawrence in the centre. He definitely has the physical attributes and has superior technical skills to Whelan/Andrews/Green plus he's proven he'll run all day. Of course he might not have the positional sense but it wouldn't hurt to try.

**tetsujin1979** · 17/11/2010, 2:18 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I have wondered why Trap has never (to the best of my knowledge) tried Lawrence in the centre. He definitely has the physical attributes and has superior technical skills to Whelan/Andrews/Green plus he's proven he'll run all day. Of course he might not have the positional sense but it wouldn't hurt to try.

Has he played there for his club?

**youngirish** · 17/11/2010, 3:26 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Has he played there for his club?

He has played central during his club career. Perhaps not for a while now but Sunderland used to often employ him centrally under McCarthy.

**an_ceannaire** · 18/11/2010, 8:28 AM

Was at the game and EVERYONE was booing at the final whistle and everyone was roariong to bring on Seamy
he only refuses so as not to "bow to media pressure"
Trap can just f**k off at thsi stage
old goat

**Junior** · 18/11/2010, 8:32 AM

Just lock it MODs - Lock it now.....

**Duggie** · 18/11/2010, 8:36 AM

disappointing we didnt get to see him but hes only starting out so its not a sacking offence. his time will come hopefully soon. i would have like to see him get the full 90 minutes but trap calls the shots right now. was impressed with cunningham, linked up well going forward.

**KK77** · 18/11/2010, 9:13 AM

Beggers belief he didn't play last night and even more Trap going on about the system and the players being experienced playing it. Good night Trap if you think we can afford to leave a player like Coleman out of the team.

**LFCSixty/Eighty** · 18/11/2010, 9:19 AM

I was at the game and the person most people wanted to see get game time was Coleman but unfortunately Trap makes most of his decisions to spite with the press/fans demand. The only reason he didn't play Coleman last night was to stamp his authority yet again and say 'I am the boss, no-one tells me who to play'. He is more concerned about his ego than the good of the team. He's done it many times before and he'll do it many times again so I can't believe I was surprised by his latest act of defiance to everyone.

**youngirish** · 18/11/2010, 9:23 AM

It's obvious Trapatoni isn't paying attention to what the players are doing at club level. You could see this even in the early days when half the people on here were clamouring for St Ledger and Lawrence to be given a chance for what seemed like an eternity before Trap finally decided to give them a game. Wo and behold once he played them they almost immediately became mainstays in the team.

Not playing Coleman last night who looks to be potentially an infinitely better player than Foley, Kelly, Hunt and McGeady is another very bad decision on his part.

His tenure is really starting to grate. We need to get the younger players in and give them a chance because some of the players we have are very substandard and shouldn't be anywhere near the international team (Whelan, Kilbane and Green all spring to mind).

**tetsujin1979** · 18/11/2010, 9:30 AM

Originally Posted by an_ceannaire

Was at the game and EVERYONE was booing at the final whistle and everyone was roariong to bring on Seamy
he only refuses so as not to "bow to media pressure"
Trap can just f**k off at thsi stage
old goat

So was I and no they weren't.
In fact the guy standing behind me was wondering why people were booing. and I agreed with him

**Kingdom** · 18/11/2010, 9:33 AM

There was the beginnings of a hum from where we standing and immediately our lot started singing. People need to check their heads a bit if they start booing the manager because of not giving a fella game time in a friendly.

**paul_oshea** · 18/11/2010, 9:40 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

True, but I like to simplify players' roles and think there is sufficient descriptive capacity in terms like "ball winner", "ball user" and "ball carrier" to categorise players. There are subtle differences. Take wide players: there's a big difference between a wide midfielder (think Lawrence for us, Pires at Arsenal - both "ball users") and a winger (think Duff - "ball carrier"). Lawrence & Pires-like players could arguably move inside, but Duff couldn't. I'll concede that Coleman maybe has just a bit of Lawrence in him, but he's got far more of Dave Langan in him - he looks born to be on the touchline. Coleman looks to me to be a "ball carrier" rather than a "ball user". He looks to do his best work wide, and at speed.

Of the first 3, which does Paul green fit into? Ball winner, ball user, ball carrier or is there a fourth, ball loser?