QuoteIt will be offered to UCD if one of the other three teams don't get a Premier Division license.Originally Posted by Bunny Kelly
Who will this go to?
If Drogheda survive they are unlikely to get a Premier division licence but would Harps or Cobh get/want one given their current situation?
So out of Shelbourne or UCD what way should it go, surely Shels are more deserving of a top division spot given how poor UCD were last year but will they get the last spot?
It will be offered to UCD if one of the other three teams don't get a Premier Division license.
UCD are one of the few clubs who now how to live within their means.
With all the if's and but's to be ironed out, I think UCD should get any place that's up for grabs. They don't risk financial ruin by blowing money they don't have or taking on sugar daddies who could pull the plug if things don't go their way. All clubs should take note of how they manage their money.
That said, they probably wouldn't have much of a team to survive in the Premier.
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Going by the rule book I'd imagine UCD probably would get offered it but Shelbourne would be much more competitive & on sporting grounds the 2nd placed First Division side is more deserving than last placed Premier Division in my opinion
Well Harps still qualify for a licence and theyre the highest ranked team out of themselves, cobh, ucd and ourselves so i think theyll take it even if they expect theyll be relegated next season, its still some extra money availible with more tv coverage and slightly larger crowds, theyll consider it worthwhile. So my money is on Harps.
Looks like Fingal are getting ready for it.
Maybe they know something we don't...
I think the FAI or Licensing Committee will bottle it and allow Drogheda stay in the top flight if they are still in existence this time next week.
After all, Drogheda will ask why they should be relegate if Cork aren't. Unless they're relegated because United Park isn't up to standard.
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The final place will be offered to Finn Harps.
If they are in a position or not to take up the offer is another thing
What he said.
We strive to play such world class opposition as Bray, but hey, we can only dream for now.
Whats wrong with harps?
A good regional club is what the top division needs.
Maybe we should put fingal and shels up and send galway and harps down and set up a league of dublin.
You started supporting league of ireland in 2007 and you need to examine the history of our league before you come on spouting rubbish and not giving a reason for harps not to be in the top league.
They are building a new ground which should be ready for the start of next season and have always played by the rules.
The rules stipulate that shels are fourth on the list of teams to get the spot should any premier league team not get a licence. The fai should set up an office next door to the high court if they were to follow your disturbed reasonings
By your twice posted small minded view on how the league should be re-organised and putting clubs like sligo rovers into the second division you have again shown a complete lack of knowledge of irish football. There are soccer towns on this island who work damn hard to compete at a high level and then you want to wipe this out with the stroke of a pen.
the best clubs will always survive in this league, not the best towns.
Why should Shel's get the chance to come up????
Because it means Celtic Tiger can get to the game and still be home in time for bedtime.
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Shels coming up is hardly the wellbeing of Irish football. If Harps are actually worthy of a Premier licence they deserve the chance to go up. I think it'd be suicide to go up if they're dealing with the sort of debts they are, because if they're dealing with such a tiny budget and getting hammered every week, the fanbase will deteriorate and might take years to claw it back down in Division One. UCD are probably in the best position to take the offer.
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the league of ireland has been around a lot longer than your two years support.
the way football works worldwide is that each team finds its way to its level, and does all it can to improve year on year. that is why sligo dundalk and bray are top division teams.
maybe they should reform the english premier league and demote hull and stoke and replace them with leeds and forest. how do you think that would work.
in sport you can only gain sporting advantage by progressing via a well run club/franchise and mismanagement leads to trouble. Sport does not work by who should be successful.
the league cannot be rearranged to suit you so stop trying.
have you been to sligo in your 2 years and witnessed the passion and athmosphere at a sligo game? we are the 4th highest attended team in the league of ireland and you want to stick us in the 2nd division.
Even limerick fans know they have to earn the right to play top division football. there are standards both on and off the pitch to achieve a premier division licence and sligo have easily achieved both and play a quality brand of football that has been enjoyed by many this year.
its a soccer town. not like limerick , galway or some of the other first division teams you are advocating.
if you want my opinion on change, it has been a learning curve for some teams that have overspent but we are heading in the right direction . i dont also think that ifa teams apart from linfield and possibly glentoran have anything to add to our league and from their european results i think we may be better to leave the league as it is at the moment
UCD clearly deserve the place in the top division. They're the highest ranked financially stable club. After UCD, Shels would be next in line for me. But with the fudge coming, both UCD and Shels will be playing in the 1st Division next year.
Part of my original point was would Harps or Cobh want to be in the top division given their financial problems, for the sake of one year would the extra revenue outweigh the negative affect it would have on their support if getting hammered every week. It's hard enough to get support in this league but who want to go watch their side losing heavily every week (part of the problem at Kilkenny) because this would surely happen with the budget either side will have to operate off.
I can't speak for Cobh but in Harps case, of course we want to be in the Premier Division.
Granted we will most likely have a young local side (mixed with a few more experienced guys) but how could we turn down the following:
1 - Two home games against, Rovers, Derry, Sligo and Dundalk - all of which bring a sizeable support to Finn park each time we play them.
2 - Guaranteed 3 live TV matches - extra revenue, roughly worth 10 to 12 grand.
3 - With a weekly preview of our games on MNS sponsorship will be much easier obtained than if we are in the graveyard with little or no national press.
4 - Our crowds throughout the seasons in the First Division have not picked up until the final 5 or 6 weeks in the season, and even then its only if we are challenging for promotion, so to suggest low crowds is not in consideration to be honest.
5 - I really don't think the gap will be as big this season, most sides seem to be letting players go rather than strengthening.
6 - Theres not a hope of promotion with the volume of money Fingal are throwing about.
7 - To sicken CelticTiger.
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Of course its not going to be ready for next season. SligoRed never even implied that it would be
However, it IS under construction, unlike some other planned grounds.
im pretty sure we had more Harps fans than Bray fans in YOUR ground when the teams last met.
Please don't preach about a Fanbase when you support Bray.
The new ground is still under construction and if all goes to plan we should be in for the start of 2011 season. The pitch needs over a year to properly bed in.
I want Finn harps to get it.
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