yesterday ........

[kempes]

> now come on admit at least it was a rediculous over reaction

yes it was! I am sure the lads were ****ed and did over-react

> did u honestly think they were looking for a fight by slagging ye with that

no its seems from faces post that they were not, but in fairness I've have seen nutters that were looking for a bit of agro use that one in the past in Cork and other places

> then i could surely come up with some more insulting or derogatory retort then the "miltown is a carpark" one!

well unless you maybe started singing "If you love Louis Kilcoyne clap your hands..." I don't think anything winds up some Rovers fans as much as that.

> I think some rovers fans were looking for any little excuse to start something

I wouldn't be surpirsed if some of them were. I think Rovers need to look to clamp down on some of our supporters drinking on the way to away games. Some of them obviously can't handle it.

koh

Kempes

ps. this really is my last post.

[James]

and as if my point needed any further backing up it seems from looking at srultras message board that rovers fans continued to cause trouble on the train on the way back up to the pale

rovers message board

You're the scum of dublin town

[kempes]

note! this is not the SRFCUltras message board. There is no SRFCUltras message baord.

This is the main message board where Hoops fans hang and we just ran a link to it from our front cause it changed location recently, Its NOT ours.

koh

Kempes

[James]

sry kempes apologies, just hit the link from your site

doesnt take away from that thread though, rovers fans causing more trouble and not a city fan in sight no doubt. Maybe one of the passengers was looking for a fight there i suppose

[kempes]

>Maybe one of the passengers was looking for a fight there i suppose

;-)

No probably just some gob****es, ****ed and ****ed off after the trip. Tossers!

koh

Kempes

[niamh]

Or maybe it's just a case of sour grapes?
It's hardly City's fault that everytime we play Rovers in Cork that the city is infiltrated with scumbags. When City play in Dublin there are so many of them about City fans know to keep their heads down, but down in Cork such behavour is unacceptable. We are civilised you see kempes...

[city boy]

kempes i would like to here you try and justify my 14 year old cousin getting tumbed as he waited at the car for my uncle and me to catch up and getting smacked by a guy you must have been over 30.
when my uncle and i ran over i got a smack too before we got them to move on, getting load of **** at work because of my black eye. those ****ers attached a completely innocent youg fella for no reason at all, other than they thought they would be able to get away with it.
fair enough there were a group of about 8 and only three were throwing punches at us but the 5 innocent who didn't get stuck in don't justify the 3 complete tugs.
i take your point that the stewarding is a after getting a bit loose again after being very good all last sseason but that is because it is only when rovers are playing that it is needed.
as for your claim that city fans try to start something when rovers play, back that up with one actual incident.

[kempes]

City Boy

For FCUK sake! How many times do I have to say it? I disagree with ALL that causing trouble crap! I am not trying to justify or defend it!

One concrete example ....... ok!

I remember being over on the terrace opposite where we were yesterday a few season back, we are all there signing etc. at the start. About 20 mins in this nutter late 20's, rough looking, half ****ed walks up and stands in the middle of the Rovers crowd, and starts shouting ****s these jackeens etc. We were telling the stewards to move him out that he was looking to start a row. They left him there.

Within 5 minutes he starts throwing punches after claiming someone bumped into him or something like that. The stewards then got involved, dragged him out and he was chucked out of the ground. Then afterwards there was a mill up outside the ground and I heard from someone afterwards that he was in the thick of it all. These are the type of nutters who come out looking for trouble.

Other examples, being stoned walking past the Shed many's a time.........

koh

Kempes

[joe]

It seems to be getting a bit heated in here, and not having seen any of the incidents means I can't comment on them. But I will say this - there seems to be a divide between Kempes and the City lads, which I can't fathom. Kempes, thanks for coming on here and giving your view, from the Hoops side. And let me be the first to say that stewarding standards at the Cross, like most grounds in this country, are not sufficient to deal with trouble, should it break out (I was only talking about this with another foot.ie poster yesterday before the match).

Also there can be no denying that City do have a certain element of fan who only come out for the 'big' games, some of them intent on causing a bit of trouble - before yesterday when was the last time a missile was thrown at ta visiting keeper?

It does however appear that what happened in the Horseshoe yesterday was probably an alcohol-induced over-reaction to a bit of taunting.

As to what happened afterwards that was probably alcohol-induced reaction to the match result. Both City and Rovers followings have 'bad' elements and they do seem to only come out for these games. What can you do?

[kempes]

Joe,

Fair play to you, what you are saying makes sense and I agree with everything you say.

In fairness the Rovers fans looking for trouble yesterday do go to all the away games but due to the train times always seems to end up most ****ed in Cork than practically anyehere else.

Drink is the root of practically all of this, stop the drinking on the way to games and you'll cut out most of this. Stopping fellas bringing drink into the game and going for drink at half time will help too.

koh

Kempes

[James]

FAO everyone

Lay off poor old Kempes, read what he has to say forst before laying abuse at him for the actions of others

I mean he's only a jackeen after all

[city boy]

kempes,

fair enough drink has a bit of a role to play in all these incidents but it is far from the main reason. a lot of people go for a pint before the match and never intend causing any trouble. and anyway it would be almost impossible to enforce. who checks for drink as supporters go into the ground, and anyway i don't believe that much alcohol is consumed during the actual 90 minutes anyway.

it a bit sad but the only solution would be to have a suitation where away fans (including city fans when they are away) are divided off completely, and that we them require some kind of superivisor to and from the match as well. can you realistically keep supporters divided at half time. is that the way we really want the leaugue to go.

at least it would stop the kind of thing that kempes described, where away fans can be intimated by one yob. i'm open to correction but i don't think it is really an issues for away fans at the end of the away stand now anyway.

[Macy]

Kempes, I really don't know what I'm doing in here, but weren't all the rovers fans down in Longford complaining about over zealous stewarding. After the trouble in Cork it's the fault of the stewards/ security not doing their job! I know there must be a middle ground, but when other clubs here about incidents like this is it any wonder that youse get treated harshly at other grounds?

[pete]

Got around to reading ths thread at last.

Been suggested the city thug element comes out for the Dublin games: Definitely true!!!
Buring the City flag: Since the kids only looking for a reaction couldn't be bothered. However if they got a thump or 2 would have served right. If I did the same thing outside any ground (not that I would) i wouldn't hang around long.

Since a lot of City people live in Dublin they not likely to get in trouble as they can't leave on the next bus or train. A lot of city away traveling support are 1/2 p***ed after the bus up & not capable of picking a fight.

If your on a day trip the guards are very unlikely to arrest you & your likely to be just put on next train out. (e.g. english hooligans outside the UK)

Any guys 20+ getting involved in anything should be banned from all grounds.


Maybe I should introduce ye all & youse can kiss & make up? Otherwise eircom could sponsor an internet access program for the fighing kids to get their anger out thru the web + its harder to fight with people you know

[rebel yell]

Its very sad to hear these reports and I think some City fans have
been harsh on Kempes. The best policing is self-policing as Scotland and Irish fans have shown throughout the years. There
have always been idiots who attach themselves to football but they are just parasites who come along for big games. Also if u
mention crowd problems to Eircom League people they think ur
talking about the lack of people at the games. Why not report the incidents to the gardai or SRFC as maybe these people can be identified and jailed/ banned?

[Éanna]

I think most away fans have a few pints, as do many home fans- that doesn't cuase trouble. All alcohol does is remove inhibitions- which means that these people are scumbags waiting for an excuse,NOT angels who've been poisoned.