Squad for Georgia named

**dr_peepee** · 20/01/2009, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by the doc

Fair enough, point taken!

D'mind him Doc.... Stand by your Manlove!!!

**DeLorean** · 20/01/2009, 2:17 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

but thats down to circumstance, and that circumstance is yearly i.e. seasonal. For example John O'Shea or Ward/delaney etc....

Exactly which is why I am saying it shouldn't be determined one way or the other. John O'Shea not gettin a game because Utd have Evra shouldn't exclude him from the Irish set up but neither should a Championship player be excluded simply for being a Championship player.

**the doc** · 20/01/2009, 2:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

When that's team of the week in a top league maybe he'll be worth looking at seriously. There's a reason why no Premiership teams have come in for him and why he's not on the squad.

So tell me how many Premiership teams have come in for Bruce?

It's common knowledge at PNE that Premiership teams are looking at St Ledger, with Everton believed to have 1st option should another club make a bid.

**DeLorean** · 20/01/2009, 3:00 PM

Originally Posted by the doc

It's common knowledge at PNE that Premiership teams are looking at St Ledger, with Everton believed to have 1st option should another club make a bid.

Is this his agent?

**paul_oshea** · 20/01/2009, 3:28 PM

Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

Exactly which is why I am saying it shouldn't be determined one way or the other. John O'Shea not gettin a game because Utd have Evra shouldn't exclude him from the Irish set up but neither should a Championship player be excluded simply for being a Championship player.

Yer last sentence isn't exactly what i was trying to get across. I was basically saying that in general on average over a few years, those in the premiership squads are there for a reason as opposed to Championship players.

**paul_oshea** · 20/01/2009, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by the doc

So tell me how many Premiership teams have come in for Bruce?

It's common knowledge at PNE that Premiership teams are looking at St Ledger, with Everton believed to have 1st option should another club make a bid.

what do you mean by that 1st option if another club bid, they either want him or they dont.

**DeLorean** · 20/01/2009, 3:40 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Yer last sentence isn't exactly what i was trying to get across. I was basically saying that in general on average over a few years, those in the premiership squads are there for a reason as opposed to Championship players.

Right, I agree. I was referring more to the Premier Lge squad players of a more recent nature like Whelan, Folan, Gibson, etc.

**The Fly** · 20/01/2009, 4:56 PM

I would have liked to have seen Marc Wilson in the squad.
He will get a call-up sooner or later though.

**FahyForever** · 20/01/2009, 5:06 PM

Originally Posted by RonnieB

You want Ireland in the squad? Then pray tell how you get him in the squad? They have met with him, he refused and said he will let them know if he wishes to be arsed to play. Should they kidnap him and drop him on the middle of the pitch?

**** Stephen Ireland and all this bull**** around him. He has been given every opportunity to come back if he so wishes. He doesn't wish to take up the position so let him **** off and die for all I care.

I�m sure Stephen Ireland is concerned about what you care. Typing swear words will really rattle his cage. Do you think it�s fun to write about someone�s death on a forum because he doesn�t want to play
football for some football team? Grow up.

**stiffler** · 20/01/2009, 5:16 PM

I think we have more fringe players of a decent standard now than what we have had for a good number of years.

A B friendly would be ideal to bring a few of these lads on, and let the management see how they perform in training etc

**Stuttgart88** · 20/01/2009, 5:46 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Except that Nolan never played for the full England team, so believe is still eligible(Two Irish parents), but agree is unlikely!

He played competitive underage football for England and is now well over 21 so has lost his chance to switch horses. Old debate on foot.ie at this stage - probably before you joined - but trust me, he ain't even eligible.

**Diarmo** · 20/01/2009, 9:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

When that's team of the week in a top league maybe he'll be worth looking at seriously. There's a reason why no Premiership teams have come in for him and why he's not on the squad.

Do you ever think before you post or are you just happy to run around contradicting yourself every chance you get?

**richieos** · 20/01/2009, 10:08 PM

can somebody please explain something to me? is there 2 ciarans going around, or is there just one who makes no sense? because if so hes taking away the credibility of this forum.

Originally Posted by Ciaran

I'd say it was St Ledger he was looking at. We just don't have the luxury to ignore quality centre backs playing well at the moment.

Originally Posted by Ciaran

When that's team of the week in a top league maybe he'll be worth looking at seriously. There's a reason why no Premiership teams have come in for him and why he's not on the squad.

**Razors left peg** · 20/01/2009, 10:18 PM

and those 2 posts were in the space of a couple of days

**Dr. Ogba** · 21/01/2009, 8:47 AM

There's only 2 Ciarans

we should make that some kind of foot.ie chant

**the doc** · 21/01/2009, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

What I meant "shockingly" does make sense. We don't have the luxury for trap to ignore St.Ledger entirely and he didn't he looked at him and surely considered him. What I meant was that he should be considered and not discarded simply because he plays for Preston.

And I think he was considered and judged not to be good enough by Trap and I'm willing to trust that judgement.

If thats the case then we must be worried about Trapps judgement of players!

**dr_peepee** · 21/01/2009, 10:35 AM

Has there been any indication of another 'B' match??

**DeLorean** · 21/01/2009, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

What'd be the value of a B match during the critical part of the qualifiers? He knows his strongest squad now.

He knows his favourite squad anyway, whatever about his strongest.

**third policeman** · 21/01/2009, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

And I think he was considered and judged not to be good enough by Trap and I'm willing to trust that judgement.

The only problem is that in order to trust in Trapp's judgement I have to ignore the evidence of my own senses and the accumulated judgements of numerous other better qualified and better informed judges. St Ledger regularly makes Championship team of the week, he is PNE's player of the year and he is being watched by a number of Premiership managers. Bruce was off-loaded by his own father, has struggled to keep a place at centre back, was seeminlgy available for transfer. His career trajectory (notwithstanding the sureeal suggestions of a move to Italy) is clearly downward, whilst St Ledger is growing in ability and reputation and could be playing Premiership football next season.

Trapp has seen St Ledger once and I am pretty confident that his exclusion is not based on a considered assessment of his playing merits vis-a-vis Bruce or McShane, but simply reflects a stubborn reluctance to countenance change.

**geysir** · 21/01/2009, 1:06 PM

I can't figure out how Bruce qualifies for us.
In fact, I think he doesn't qualify.
Purely in the football interests of the team I'm tempted to squeal but that goes against nature.