Squad for Georgia named

**Stuttgart88** · 19/01/2009, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by the doc

Trapp...listens too much to Givens

nail on head & not just in relation to St Ledger who is a cut above McShane and probably Bruce. I really believe Givens has a malign influence on Irish football.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 19/01/2009, 11:28 PM

Whatever they've said(& can't undermine the manager), again disappointing to see our 2 most creative players, Ireland & A.Reid ignored!

Respect Trap, but his bloody-mindedness over these two & even approaching Kevin Nolan again re.a central midfield which is seriously lacking in any kind of footballing ability is embarrassing!

Even If we get to SA, we'll do nothing with his current mindset.
:-(

**kingdomkerry** · 19/01/2009, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Whatever they've said(& can't undermine the manager), again disappointing to see our 2 most creative players, Ireland & A.Reid ignored!

Respect Trap, but his bloody-mindedness over these two & even approaching Kevin Nolan again re.a central midfield which is seriously lacking in any kind of footballing ability is embarrassing!

Even If we get to SA, we'll do nothing with his current mindset.
:-(

What are you on about? Kevin Nolan is not Irish and does'nt want to play for Ireland. fair enough. Stephen Manchester is Irish and does'nt want to play for Ireland. IMO opinion that makes him the lowest of the low and if he did his cruciate at training tomorrow I personally would be delighted!

As for other squad selections. I trust Trap

**Fergie's Son** · 20/01/2009, 3:50 AM

Some odd selections alright. That said, can we drop the Reid as a saviour debate? He's not exactly setting things alight at a low-level Prem team and I think he's had a falling out with Brady/Trapp.

Let's move on from Ireland. I hope we don't ever discuss him again.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 20/01/2009, 6:12 AM

Well, they're All Eligible!
We Have to make more of our resources & with the best will in the world, the likes of Sean St.Ledger aren't currently the answer!!

Unless Trap(& them) all stop being so bloody-minded, we'll be sitting at home scratching our backsides next summer!
You read it here first!
:-(

**Sligo Hornet** · 20/01/2009, 6:31 AM

Originally Posted by Hibernian

One question.

What the hell does Liam Miller have that Andy Reid does not???

Anybody?

....LESS

Originally Posted by Redkenrover

Anybody know is the k.o. time for the Bulgaria match on 28th March a 3pm or an evening one. Cheers

7.45 pm.....as far as I know

**shakermaker1982** · 20/01/2009, 6:55 AM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

Why do people constantly single out Liam for criticism on this site? He's a competent midfielder, he hasn't done anything great for us but he's never been a liability either. If you're going to single him out why not do the same for Bruce, Long, Keogh, Delaney, Gibson, Whelan or Folan. What have any of them ever done for us either? Do we have any better options than not calling up stopgap players? No, not really.

Miller won't be taking to the field and is there for cover, give him a break.

so why not call up Andy Reid instead? A guy who can play in more than one position?

St Ledger should be ahead of Bruce. I don't know why Bruce is in the squad.

I'm content with Long and Keogh's inclusion. They have never let us down and offer something different. Long's pace always causes problems when he comes on as a late sub.

Delaney was solid when he made a start in the green jersey and is adequate cover for Kilbane.

Whelan did well in our two qualifier games in September (picking up a MOM along the way + scoring) and is now the Trap's number 1 central midfield player. He's hardly going to drop him is he?

Gibson - I think the criticism has been OTT bearing in mind he's a young lad. The guy has potential and I have no problem with his inclusion.

Folan - offers something different. Pace, strength and obviously impressed the Trap in the training camps.

Andy Reid is a central midfield player and is more deserving of a place than Miller. Miller has hardly tasted first team football this season so it's not club form that is keeping him ahead in the pecking order.

**the doc** · 20/01/2009, 8:15 AM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Well, they're All Eligible!
We Have to make more of our resources & with the best will in the world, the likes of Sean St.Ledger aren't currently the answer!!

Unless Trap(& them) all stop being so bloody-minded, we'll be sitting at home scratching our backsides next summer!
You read it here first!
:-(

So the likes of McShane and Bruce are? Have you been to The Givens school of Football, because you sound like him!

At International level you have to pick your best players, Trapp is NOT doing this!

He will eventually get found out by not doing this, I dread the day when the likes of Dunne gets injured or suspended and Trapp plays McShane and Bruce as a CB pairing!!!!!!!!

**Dr. Ogba** · 20/01/2009, 8:25 AM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Whatever they've said(& can't undermine the manager), again disappointing to see our 2 most creative players, Ireland & A.Reid ignored!

Respect Trap, but his bloody-mindedness over these two & even approaching Kevin Nolan again re.a central midfield which is seriously lacking in any kind of footballing ability is embarrassing!

Even If we get to SA, we'll do nothing with his current mindset.
:-(

i take it this is a wind up and if it is bravo, i tip my cap to you...

if not, what i would suggest that if you really want to get your point across re Nolan you should open a new topic about it...it'll be appreciated by all...

**ArdeeBhoy** · 20/01/2009, 8:39 AM

Desperate times call for desperate measures!
It'd be good to qualify, but we need a Central midfield.

**Stuttgart88** · 20/01/2009, 10:52 AM

If you're going to pick ineligible players why not aim higher than Nolan? I'd ask Marcos Senna if he wants to play.

I agree totally with the shakermaker's post.

St Ledger is better than Bruce & McShane
Reid is better and more versatile than Miller

They're the only real bones of contention for me. Ward must be close to a place but Delaney gets the nod, fine by me.

I think Andrews may be making a late claim for a starting berth.

**tetsujin1979** · 20/01/2009, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

They're the only real bones of contention for me. Ward must be close to a place but Delaney gets the nod, fine by me.

Ward's out with a cracked bone in his shoulder: http://www.shropshirestar.com/2009/0...p-with-injury/

Stephen Ward has dealt Wolves an injury blow after cracking a bone in his shoulder. The 23-year-old misses today’s televised tea-time clash away to Bristol City and is a doubt for next Saturday’s FA Cup fourth round tie against Middlesbrough - and the potentially pivotal trip to Reading three days later.

**DeLorean** · 20/01/2009, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Redkenrover

Anybody know is the k.o. time for the Bulgaria match on 28th March a 3pm or an evening one. Cheers

It has been announced as a 19:45 evening ko.

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/prelimi...esresults.html

**ArdeeBhoy** · 20/01/2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

If you're going to pick ineligible players why not aim higher than Nolan? I'd ask Marcos Senna if he wants to play.

I agree totally with the shakermaker's post.

St Ledger is better than Bruce & McShane
Reid is better and more versatile than Miller.

Except that Nolan never played for the full England team, so believe is still eligible(Two Irish parents), but agree is unlikely!

If St.Ledger is better than McShane fair enough but I'd say the differerence is negible.
Would feel happier if the former was playing in the PL, even as just a squad player.

**DeLorean** · 20/01/2009, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

If St.Ledger is better than McShane fair enough but I'd say the differerence is negible.
Would feel happier if the former was playing in the PL, even as just a squad player.

I wouldn't agree with this at all. Your knowledge of St Ledger, like my own is obviously limited, therefore I don't think your in a position to compare himself and McShane. Anyway I think that the general consensus here is that he should be in the squad ahead of Bruce (another Championship player) and not McShane, although I realise this was suggested also.

As for your second point about preferring Premier Lge squad players to Championship starters I think is nonsense. Should Folan who's hardly kicked a ball for Hull be more entitled to a squad place than Noel Hunt who is scoring freely at Reading. I didn't use Doyle as the example as I'm sure the fact that he performed well in the Premier Lge in the past would have back fired.

**paul_oshea** · 20/01/2009, 1:56 PM

As for your second point about preferring Premier Lge squad players to Championship starters I think is nonsense. Should Folan who's hardly kicked a ball for Hull be more entitled to a squad place than Noel Hunt who is scoring freely at Reading. I didn't use Doyle as the example as I'm sure the fact that he performed well in the Premier Lge in the past would have back fired.

but thats down to circumstance, and that circumstance is yearly i.e. seasonal. For example John O'Shea or Ward/delaney etc....

**the doc** · 20/01/2009, 1:58 PM

What game was Trapp watching? St Ledger is in the team of the week again for his performance against Burnley.

http://www.pnefc.net/page/NewsDetail...526369,00.html

**paul_oshea** · 20/01/2009, 1:58 PM

so why hasn't a PL team come in for him?

**NeilMcD** · 20/01/2009, 2:05 PM

I think we get the idea doc, you think st ledger is a good player and should be in the sqaud. Now go on take a chance and comment on other players and other aspects of football. I agree with you by the way but its like a broken record at this stage. You must be nearly bored of it yourself.

**the doc** · 20/01/2009, 2:14 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think we get the idea doc, you think st ledger is a good player and should be in the sqaud. Now go on take a chance and comment on other players and other aspects of football. I agree with you by the way but its like a broken record at this stage. You must be nearly bored of it yourself.

Fair enough, point taken!