Squad for Georgia named

**tetsujin1979** · 21/01/2009, 1:22 PM

His grandmother is from the north, so he qualifies for an Irish passport

**geysir** · 21/01/2009, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

His grandmother is from the north, so he qualifies for an Irish passport

Possibly that was enough in the past when Bruce was first declared. If so then it was a loophole.

It is clear to me now, that since june 08, an Irish passport for English born is not enough, his grandmother (born after 1921) would have to have been born in the territory of the FAI.

**dr_peepee** · 21/01/2009, 2:01 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

What'd be the value of a B match during the critical part of the qualifiers? He knows his strongest squad now.

Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

He knows his favourite squad anyway, whatever about his strongest.

Ha!! Well said, man.

I asked about the 'B' squad because it seams the only way into the first team squad...

**third policeman** · 21/01/2009, 2:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

But either way the most important point here that anyone who knows anything about the game can agree on. Bench or not St.Ledger would not make the first team and bar an injury to two of O'Shea, McShane and Dunne would have no part whatsoever to play. Let Bruce have his token bench cameo, it's not impacting the team in any way.

Agree Ciaran, but I have been really impressed by O'Shea's performances at LB for United. If St Ledger did shape up he could be in contention to partner Dunne with O'Shea replacing Kilbane. Killer's a fantastic servant and a decent stand-in at LB, but this has never been his natural position.

**ifk101** · 21/01/2009, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by third policeman

The only problem is that in order to trust in Trapp's judgement I have to ignore the evidence of my own senses and the accumulated judgements of numerous other better qualified and better informed judges.

Please name them

Originally Posted by third policeman

St Ledger regularly makes Championship team of the week, he is PNE's player of the year and he is being watched by a number of Premiership managers. Bruce was off-loaded by his own father, has struggled to keep a place at centre back, was seeminlgy available for transfer. His career trajectory (notwithstanding the sureeal suggestions of a move to Italy) is clearly downward, whilst St Ledger is growing in ability and reputation and could be playing Premiership football next season.

Brilliant - now we know. Would you have St Ledger ahead of Dunne or JOSH? Yes or No. If the answer is no, your basic criticism is that Trapattoni choses not to include a player that you fancy (in more ways than one by the sound of things) and this has lead you to question his abilities and knowledge of the game

Originally Posted by third policeman

Trapp has seen St Ledger once and I am pretty confident that his exclusion is not based on a considered assessment of his playing merits vis-a-vis Bruce or McShane, but simply reflects a stubborn reluctance to countenance change.

He's given his reasons. You chose to ignore them - who's the stubborn one?

Originally Posted by third policeman

Agree Ciaran, but I have been really impressed by O'Shea's performances at LB for United. If St Ledger did shape up he could be in contention to partner Dunne with O'Shea replacing Kilbane. Killer's a fantastic servant and a decent stand-in at LB, but this has never been his natural position.

So you'd chose to break up our best central defensive partnership for 15 odd years to accomodate St Ledger? Is that your qualified judgement or the opinion of your better informed judges?

**third policeman** · 21/01/2009, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

Please name them

Brilliant - now we know. Would you have St Ledger ahead of Dunne or JOSH? Yes or No. If the answer is no, your basic criticism is that Trapattoni choses not to include a player that you fancy (in more ways than one by the sound of things) and this has lead you to question his abilities and knowledge of the game

He's given his reasons. You chose to ignore them - who's the stubborn one?

So you'd chose to break up our best central defensive partnership for 15 odd years to accomodate St Ledger? Is that your qualified judgement or the opinion of your better informed judges?

Where should I begin? Life's too short. These are opinions, just like yours but different. I dont have the time or inclination to defend them to you. I've got better things to do like organising a dream date with Sean St Ledger.

**DeLorean** · 21/01/2009, 3:07 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

He's given his reasons. You chose to ignore them - who's the stubborn one?

I haven't heard Trapp give any reason for selecting Bruce nor can I think of one.

Originally Posted by ifk101

So you'd chose to break up our best central defensive partnership for 15 odd years to accomodate St Ledger? Is that your qualified judgement or the opinion of your better informed judges?

Best centre back pairing in 15yrs- I'll reserve judgement on that one until I see them keep a more formidable opponent than Cyprus or Montenegro at bay. They look solid enough though.

I don't really get this whole 'Don't question Trapp' attitude when it's quite clear that some of his decisions are highly debatable to say the least.

**DeLorean** · 21/01/2009, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by third policeman

Where should I begin? Life's too short. These are opinions, just like yours but different. I dont have the time or inclination to defend them to you. I've got better things to do like organising a dream date with Sean St Ledger.

Nicely done!

**ifk101** · 21/01/2009, 4:23 PM

Originally Posted by third policeman

Where should I begin? Life's too short. These are opinions, just like yours but different. I dont have the time or inclination to defend them to you. I've got better things to do like organising a dream date with Sean St Ledger.

If your not prepare to defend your opinions why post them?

I've no problem with St Ledger coming into the squad btw but Trapattoni has had a look at him and didn't fancy him. So that's one person less you have to worry about while you try to get that dream date girlfriend.

Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

I haven't heard Trapp give any reason for selecting Bruce nor can I think of one.

Maybe you should listen to what he has to say then.

Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

I don't really get this whole 'Don't question Trapp' attitude when it's quite clear that some of his decisions are highly debatable to say the least.

By all means question him. But I'd prefer to listen and understand his thinking, respect what he has achieved in the game and reserve my judgement until the current qualifying campaign is over.

**DeLorean** · 21/01/2009, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

By all means question him. But I'd prefer to listen and understand his thinking, respect what he has achieved in the game and reserve my judgement until the current qualifying campaign is over.

I'm glad I have your permission. It'd be a very exciting forum if everybody would stop voicing their day to day opinions and wait until the end of the qualifying campaign and see where we stand then.

**FarBeag** · 21/01/2009, 5:46 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

In fairness 2 years ago McShane was winning player of the year awards with West Brom and was winning championship plaudits left right and centre.

Then he made the step up and struggled at the highest level. If you throw St Ledger into the same situation what makes you think he won't go the same way? Because he played well in a meaningless cup game against Liverpool?

I mean really, talking about dropping Killer for this guy is Football Manager drivel, Trap didn't get where he is today by breaking up a settled back 4 to accommodate some borderline championship player with no experience at the top level. No sane manager in the world would put him into the team.

Why can�t you just get adult to check what you have written before you post because you clearly need some sort of guidance? You continually contradict yourself, surely you can see this?

**Stuttgart88** · 21/01/2009, 5:57 PM

In fairness, I agree that playing Sledge at CB and replacing KK with JOS would be madness.

However I'd offer the view that Sledge looks to have a lot of quality and my opinion is that he's capable of moving up a level. He has far more finesse than McShane and looks a better player at Championship level than McShane did.

**shakermaker1982** · 21/01/2009, 7:01 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

In fairness, I agree that playing Sledge at CB and replacing KK with JOS would be madness.

However I'd offer the view that Sledge looks to have a lot of quality and my opinion is that he's capable of moving up a level. He has far more finesse than McShane and looks a better player at Championship level than McShane did.

The ideal time for the manager to try this (i.e. O'Shea at LB and St Ledger at CB) was against Poland. If St Ledger impressed then the Trap would be confident he could do a job if ever required. Instead he went with the strongest side available to him and we got tanked. That is what frustrates me so much about the Trap. He's too risk averse and if plan A (6 defenders and 4 attackers) fails in a big game what the hell are we going to do?