FIFA rankings thread

[swinfordfc]

Yes, it's based on results in the last 48 months.
To better understand how the rankings work, see the FIFA Ranking detailed point totals section on my site.

I have you tied for 37th with Honduras.

FIFA Ranking: July 2009 probable ranking (III).

We'll have a better picture on June 28th.

So what the update like?

[Edgar]

So what the update like?

Still 37th.

FIFA Ranking: July 2009 preview (IV).

[swinfordfc]

July 1st - We be 37th placed - thats sounds awful ....... damn staunton ...... you tell me ....

[gilberto_eire]

Some country in Africa called Gabon seems to have over taken us, can't say i ever heard of them until now

[tricky_colour]

Some country in Africa called Gabon seems to have over taken us, can't say i ever heard of them until now

They may be saying the same thing about Ireland

[DeLorean]

Officially the most ridiculous rating system ever. Gabon jumped up 18 places and Ireland drop 3 after a couple of decent results. Spain knocked off top after one defeat in 35, having won 14 straight...and that was in a semi final, going on to claim 3rd place.

FIFA Rankings - 1st July 2009

[DeLorean]

Just doing some research there trying to make some sense of it all. Ireland got about 400 pts for their draw in Bulgaria, Gabon got over 800 for a home win against Togo and Romania got over 1000 pts for beating Lithuania away!! Not sure how they apply these points to the actual ranking table cos Ireland seem to be down 4pts on June. Apologies if this was explained further back in the thread cos I know there was some technical stuff going on earlier, might take a look in a while.

[Gather round]

Here's an alternative European ranking. It's basically points in the current qualifiers, with everyone in the five-team group getting an extra six points. I'm pretending they all get to play some notional 54th country- the Vatican City, say

Goal difference and head to head ignored.

1 Netherlands 9 27
2 England 7 21
3 Spain 6 18
3 Serbia 7 18
5 Denmark 6 16
5 Germany 6 16
7 Russia 6 15
7 Slovakia 6 15
9 Italy 6 14
10 R Ireland 7 13
10 N Ireland 7 13
10 Hungary 6 13
10 Greece 6 13
10 Switzerland 6 13
10 Scotland 7 13
10 Macedonia 8 13
17 Bosnia 6 12
18 Croatia 6 11
18 Ukraine 6 11
20 France 5 10
21 Lithuania 7 9
22 Latvia 6 10
22 Poland 6 10
22 Finland 6 10
22 Iceland 9 10
26 Norway 7 9
26 Wales 7 9
26 Israel 6 9
26 Portugal 6 9
26 Sweden 6 9
26 Belarus 5 9
32 Czechia 6 8
32 Slovenia 6 8
32 Bulgaria 6 8
32 Turkey 6 8
36 Belgium 6 7
36 Austria 6 7
36 Romania 6 7
39 Albania 8 6
40 Estonia 6 5
40 Cyprus 6 5
42 Montenegro 6 4
42 Luxembourg 6 4
44 Kazakhstan 7 3
44 Georgia 7 3
46 Moldova 6 1
46 Malta 8 1
46 Azerbaijan 5 1
46 Faroe Islands 5 1
46 Liechtenstein 6 1
46 Armenia 6 1
52 San Marino 7 0
52 Andorra 7 0

[EalingGreen]

Officially the most ridiculous rating system ever. Gabon jumped up 18 places and Ireland drop 3 after a couple of decent results. Spain knocked off top after one defeat in 35, having won 14 straight...and that was in a semi final, going on to claim 3rd place.

FIFA Rankings - 1st July 2009

The FIFA World Rankings are seriously flawed in one respect (imo), namely in the relative weightings between the different Confederations.
For although a competitive win in eg the European Championships scores more highly than one in its CONCACAF or Oceania equivalent, nonetheless the difference in weighting is not nearly big enough.
I am sure that this is because if a truer weighting were introduced, the World Rankings would be even more heavily dominated by the European nations than they already are, at the expense of teams from Africa and COCACAF (especially), Asia and even South America (outside of Brazil and Argentina).
In which case, FIFA would have greater difficulty than at present in justifying so many World Cup places for the non-European Confederations which, in nearly 80 years of trying, haven't won one single World Cup (Brazil & Argentina excepted, obviously).

However, a more realistic picture of a European country's progress may be obtained by looking at the UEFA Rankings subset:
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ra...27275&rank=183

P.S. Spain weren't really "knocked off top", despite finishing 3rd in the Confederations Cup etc. Rather, they were overtaken by Brazil, who actually won the competition, following five straight victories. Prior to the Confed. Cup, Brazil had won 8 and drawn the remaining 4 of their 12 matches.
http://www.fifa.com/associations/ass...=m/index.html#

[DeLorean]

The FIFA World Rankings are seriously flawed in one respect (imo), namely in the relative weightings between the different Confederations.
For although a competitive win in eg the European Championships scores more highly than one in its CONCACAF or Oceania equivalent, nonetheless the difference in weighting is not nearly big enough.
I am sure that this is because if a truer weighting were introduced, the World Rankings would be even more heavily dominated by the European nations than they already are, at the expense of teams from Africa and COCACAF (especially), Asia and even South America (outside of Brazil and Argentina).
In which case, FIFA would have greater difficulty than at present in justifying so many World Cup places for the non-European Confederations which, in nearly 80 years of trying, haven't won one single World Cup (Brazil & Argentina excepted, obviously).

And Uruguay! Ya I agree with that and it just comes back to FIFA wanting the World Cup to represent the World and not necessarily the 32 best teams.

P.S. Spain weren't really "knocked off top", despite finishing 3rd in the Confederations Cup etc. Rather, they were overtaken by Brazil, who actually won the competition, following five straight victories. Prior to the Confed. Cup, Brazil had won 8 and drawn the remaining 4 of their 12 matches.
http://www.fifa.com/associations/ass...=m/index.html#

Yeah it's a decent run Brazil are on but on top of winning the European Championships Spain have equalled World records all over the place. Just think losing one match shouldn't have had such a big impact.

[geysir]

Winning a semi and then the final, carries greater weight in the match importance ranking points multiplier scheme of things.

[shakermaker1982]

Montenegro are flying. Number 98 now.

[swinfordfc]

preview for august - knows there some games play in america?

[irishfan86]

preview for august - knows there some games play in america?

The Gold Cup is CONCACAF's equivalent to the Euro Tournament, and is being played right now.

[swinfordfc]

The Gold Cup is CONCACAF's equivalent to the Euro Tournament, and is being played right now.

how's the usa doing in it? will they win it?

[irishfan86]

how's the usa doing in it? will they win it?

The US have started off with 2 wins: a 2-0 win over Honduras (decent team by this region's standards) and a 4-0 win over Granada, which is to be expected. They play Haiti in their final group match on Saturday, and should finish the group stage with 3 wins.

The US are hosting the tournament, and they have started well, but because the Confederations Cup has just been played, they are fielding what is essentially a B team. That doesn't mean that there are no senior players there, but I'd question this team's ability to beat Mexico in the knock-out rounds.

Example: No Donovan, Dempsey, Beasley, Spector, Bocanegra, Howard, or Hahnemann, among others.

Mexico have the stronger squad, but the US have home field advantage. I'll be hoping Canada can add another Gold Cup to the collection.

[swinfordfc]

The US have started off with 2 wins: a 2-0 win over Honduras (decent team by this region's standards) and a 4-0 win over Granada, which is to be expected. They play Haiti in their final group match on Saturday, and should finish the group stage with 3 wins.

The US are hosting the tournament, and they have started well, but because the Confederations Cup has just been played, they are fielding what is essentially a B team. That doesn't mean that there are no senior players there, but I'd question this team's ability to beat Mexico in the knock-out rounds.

Example: No Donovan, Dempsey, Beasley, Spector, Bocanegra, Howard, or Hahnemann, among others.

Mexico have the stronger squad, but the US have home field advantage. I'll be hoping Canada can add another Gold Cup to the collection.

Is Guzan (villa sub keeper) playing for USA?

[Chicago AOH]

Guzan hasn't played in the first two games, they have picked a new guy called Troy Perkins, who plays in Norway...
Like Irishfan86 stated, this is a B team full of MLS fringe players, and I think that Guzan is deemed too good for this tournament by the US coach...

[swinfordfc]

Guzan hasn't played in the first two games, they have picked a new guy called Troy Perkins, who plays in Norway...
Like Irishfan86 stated, this is a B team full of MLS fringe players, and I think that Guzan is deemed too good for this tournament by the US coach...

Cheers

[gspain]

According to here

http://www.football-rankings.info/20...obable_07.html

a win on Tuesday could see us jump 10 places in the FIFA rankings to 28th. This would move us back ahead of Northern Ireland and Scotland.