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Thread: Robert Elliot (G Newcastle (released summer 2020) b.1986)

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    Paul McGrath was born in Ealing.

    And aren't we being a tad presumptuous that Elliot has 'allegiance' to anyone. Or did someone see him wearing 'Ingerland' colours or something?

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    Well my entire post was being preumptuous. That was the point. His quote was so deliberately vague that all we're left with is presumptions.

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    Was it Ron Atkinson or someone thought they could convince McGrath to throw his lot in with England?

    If Trap called Elliot up for a game in the near future, can we assume Elliot would decline the invite then?

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    I don't think McGrath even qualified for British nationality.

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    I don't think he would have unless one of his parents had British nationality.

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    If he had applied for it before 1983 he could have gained british nationality but not after 1983, unless he bided his time and got it through residency.

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    Fair enough Chuck, but you wouldn't blame most youngsters declining Trap just now.

    His record's not good in that respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    If he had applied for it before 1983 he could have gained british nationality but not after 1983, unless he bided his time and got it through residency.
    From my understanding, the only way a child of non-British parents gains the right to nationality is if he has no entitlement to his parents' citizenship. Beyond that, I think your parent has to get nationality thus making you entitled. I might be wrong though.

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    Fair enough Chuck, but you wouldn't blame most youngsters declining Trap just now.

    His record's not good in that respect.
    I really don't think most footballers are aware of how Trap operates, especially those at a club with no other Irish players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    From my understanding, the only way a child of non-British parents gains the right to nationality is if he has no entitlement to his parents' citizenship. Beyond that, I think your parent has to get nationality thus making you entitled. I might be wrong though.
    It was different <1983, then a child just had to be born in the stable in order to be called a horse, regardless of the parents' pedigree. We will await the definitive answer from Bonnie who's not usually so shy to have an input.

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    McGrath is "almost certainly" a British citizen by virtue of his birth in London pre-1983: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/br...yingterritory/

    If you were born in the UK before 1 January 1983, you are almost certainly a British citizen. The only exception is if you were born to certain diplomatic staff of foreign missions who had diplomatic immunity.

    If you were born in the UK on or after 1 January 1983, you are a British citizen if at the time of your birth one of your parents was:

    • a British citizen; or
    • legally settled in the UK.

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    Yes, but if he didn't apply for it before 1983, does the 1983 act not rule him out? or was he a dual national by virtue of his birth place, with automatic british and Irish citizenship, just like you Nordies?
    Last edited by geysir; 14/03/2013 at 12:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Yes, but if he didn't apply for it before 1983, does the 1983 act not rule him out? or was he a dual national by virtue of his birth place, with automatic british and Irish citizenship, just like you Nordies?
    Sticks oar in...

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/br...yingterritory/

    Quote Originally Posted by UK Borders Agency
    If you were born in the UK before 1 January 1983

    If you were born in the UK before 1 January 1983, you are almost certainly a British citizen. The only exception is if you were born to certain diplomatic staff of foreign missions who had diplomatic immunity.
    McGrath is more than welcome to claim UK citizenship if he wishes.

    There is no mention of a time-limit on an application for same.
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    He'd be a dual national (at least) by virtue of his birth in London pre-1983 to an Irish mother. I don't see why the 1983 act would rule him out; he'd already have been an automatic British citizen, officially-speaking. Whether he ever acknowledged the fact or applied for a British passport either before or after 1983 is of no consequence, as far as I understand anyway.

    For what it's worth, I think he's also a Nigerian citizen, his father being from Nigeria, of course.

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    Diplomatic immunity has been revoked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    I really don't think most footballers are aware of how Trap operates, especially those at a club with no other Irish players.
    I'm sure there's a footballing grapevine. And it's not exactly a secret how he regards some of his players, even within the bubble of Brit 'meedja'...

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    Id go a step further AB and say that any player who is being asked to decide about who they will represent or who is exploring their own options themselves would make it their business to find out what the manager of that international team is really like.

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    Well, maybe he has...

    But given neither Trap or 'Woy' are liable to be in their jobs by the time his chance comes, this may be a somewhat flawed process.

    Also you're crediting many players with far more insight than you might just be expecting...

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    And there was me thinking we were agreeing for a change...

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    I think we are, I'm just taking the cynical amendment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkStu View Post
    Id go a step further AB and say that any player who is being asked to decide about who they will represent or who is exploring their own options themselves would make it their business to find out what the manager of that international team is really like.
    Who says he's considering his options? And international managers change all the time, players don't make long-term career decisions based who the current manager is.

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