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    Rugby Union 2009

    Quite a display there from Ulster, absolutely battered Munster.

    For Ireland it's encouraging that Ian Humphreys really looked the part and could be the answer to our lack of depth in the out half department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr A View Post
    Quite a display there from Ulster, absolutely battered Munster.

    For Ireland it's encouraging that Ian Humphreys really looked the part and could be the answer to our lack of depth in the out half department.
    seen Humphreys a few times still a bit too hit and miss IMO needs to finds some more consistency. The kicker for Connacht is developing nicely as well.
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    The kicker for Connacht is developing nicely as well.
    He has this routine of doing 6 half-squats before every kick. It really was quite amusing to watch, the crowd quietly counting away.

    Will Darren Cave get a chance in the squad?

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    Ulster were well worth their win. That said the officials missed a blatant forward pass for the first try.

    Hurley was at least a few yards off the pace. If he continues like this won;t even be in the Munster squad next season. Williams does not look like a modern no.8 as is closer to prop in size. Munsters pass it wide tactics are badly flawed. Should have used the forwards around the fringes a lot more.
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    I'm at a loss for reasons for Munsters last two performances. For years now, Munster won games they shouldn't have by having their pack controlling the pace of the game, with O'Gara controlling position with tactical kicking. They would only strike when the odds were in their favour.

    I know these ELV's favour running rugby, and have killed the maul, but for Christs sake why do they have to try and run practically every ball they get immediately? It is not working....plain and simple. Defences are wide to this now and Ulster proved the other night that it can be swatted very easily if you defend high up.

    Hurley surely has played his last competitive game for Munster, as has Kieran Lewis. Williams at 8 isn't fit enough yet imo, and Leamy is proving to be a monumental loss. Back to basics against Sale I hope, or I fear its goodbye Heineken Cup.

    Having said that, hats off to Ulster and Connacht on their performances. Matt Williams, loathe him as most do, is doing a great job there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianw82 View Post
    He has this routine of doing 6 half-squats before every kick. It really was quite amusing to watch, the crowd quietly counting away.

    Will Darren Cave get a chance in the squad?
    yeah the counting was funny in the RDS last week the announcer had to ask for quiet as everybody counting along with the squats

    I can see Cave getting in the extended squad but maybe not in the match day one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Youths4Ever View Post
    I can see Cave getting in the extended squad but maybe not in the match day one
    True, but if you had to pick an Irish side on form at this particular moment, it would be a strange one;

    Rob Kearney; Geordan Murphy, Keith Earls, Darren Cave, Tommy Bowe; Ian Humphreys, no scrum half cos none of them are in form; Marcus Horan, Rory Best, John Hayes; Donncha O'Callaghan, Paul O'Connell; Steven Ferris, Sean O'Brien, David Wallace.

    They are the form players....outlook not great , is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeSoap View Post
    True, but if you had to pick an Irish side on form at this particular moment, it would be a strange one;

    Rob Kearney; Geordan Murphy, Keith Earls, Darren Cave, Tommy Bowe; Ian Humphreys, no scrum half cos none of them are in form; Marcus Horan, Rory Best, John Hayes; Donncha O'Callaghan, Paul O'Connell; Steven Ferris, Sean O'Brien, David Wallace.

    They are the form players....outlook not great , is it?
    Mike Ross would definitely be in at prop.

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    He'd by my sub prop. Horan and Hayes are in great form at the moment. He's having some season though, fair play to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeSoap View Post
    He'd by my sub prop. Horan and Hayes are in great form at the moment. He's having some season though, fair play to him.
    I couldn't disagree much with the rest of your form XV, but I'm quite excited by it.

    We certainly need to see some new players blooded, although a home game against France is probably not the right time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    I couldn't disagree much with the rest of your form XV, but I'm quite excited by it.

    We certainly need to see some new players blooded, although a home game against France is probably not the right time.
    probably not right time but if team picked on form highly unlikely I know but would be interesting. Hopefully some players will get in though
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeSoap View Post
    True, but if you had to pick an Irish side on form at this particular moment, it would be a strange one;

    Rob Kearney; Geordan Murphy, Keith Earls, Darren Cave, Tommy Bowe; Ian Humphreys, no scrum half cos none of them are in form; Marcus Horan, Rory Best, John Hayes; Donncha O'Callaghan, Paul O'Connell; Steven Ferris, Sean O'Brien, David Wallace.

    They are the form players....outlook not great , is it?
    looked like a very good return to form for tomas o leary tonight, leamy looked sharp as well for the 55 mins he was on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hula4 View Post
    looked like a very good return to form for tomas o leary tonight, leamy looked sharp as well for the 55 mins he was on.
    o leary looked good last night.

    Are Munster really in trouble at no10 or is it just mind games on their part?
    could be interesting how then line out if o'gara if out or not fully fit to play a full game do u start or finish with him on pitch?
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    i dont think they are in trouble, from what i have heard they are very confident o gara will make it, warwick is 50/50 id say, i wouldnt be worried about the concussion too much, but if his eye isnt right its not something that can or should be risked.

    afaik manning is def out and doyle isnt eligible but i would be optimistic about o gara and warwick

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    Quote Originally Posted by hula4 View Post
    i dont think they are in trouble, from what i have heard they are very confident o gara will make it, warwick is 50/50 id say, i wouldnt be worried about the concussion too much, but if his eye isnt right its not something that can or should be risked.

    afaik manning is def out and doyle isnt eligible but i would be optimistic about o gara and warwick
    There was a rule in rugby that if a player got concussion then where automatically out for 3-4 weeks (cant remember exact length of time) unless then have changed this rule automatically rules out Warwick.
    IMO O'Gara will play but may not be up to pace for 80 mins if game played at high pace and opposition will target him if then think not 100% fit.
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    that used to be the case but afaik once he is certified ok by a neuroligist or whatever they are called then he is ok to play, if he is fit of course.

    but the rule that it was an automatic 3 weeks is gone

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    I know if has probably been mentioned in the 2008 thread but the ELVs are to put it bluntly sh*te. Winning tactic now are to kick the ball long & chase opponents so they get penalised for holding at the breakdown. Possession of the ball especially in your own half will eventually be penalised for holding on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    I know if has probably been mentioned in the 2008 thread but the ELVs are to put it bluntly sh*te. Winning tactic now are to kick the ball long & chase opponents so they get penalised for holding at the breakdown. Possession of the ball especially in your own half will eventually be penalised for holding on.
    wouldnt dismiss them all, there has been little change to the refereeing of the breakdown, just how the rules are being enforced, however i dont like the unlimited numbers in the lineouts, and the ability to pull down the maul.

    the quick lineouts are good though, and think the increased involvement of the tmo and touchjudges are the way forward, as is the new offside line at the scrum

    not too sure about the increased kicking though, the idea behind not being able to pass back in to the 22 is good in theory but it seems to be leading to a lot of aimless punting up and downfield

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    I know if has probably been mentioned in the 2008 thread but the ELVs are to put it bluntly sh*te. Winning tactic now are to kick the ball long & chase opponents so they get penalised for holding at the breakdown. Possession of the ball especially in your own half will eventually be penalised for holding on.
    then are ruining rugby brought in to aid attacking rugby but all then have done is ruin it to many penalties for off the feet etc and way to much kicking in the game teams almost afraid to run the ball
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    I suppose the point I was trying to make was possession is bad.

    Touch Judges in rugby seem to do very little. Even for obvious tries they never make a call & will just let ref ask TMO. Often touch judges are also too far behind the play to see touch down...
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