QuoteAnd the semi final the year before
When they didn't kill Liverpool off at Stamford Bridge and paid for it
And who is to say that Chelsea would have scored from the only incident that probably was a peno - the first handball and I am not still convinced about that? It was ball to hand rather than hand to ball. How did Chelsea lose the Final last year? Oh yes, it was on penos
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
And the semi final the year before
When they didn't kill Liverpool off at Stamford Bridge and paid for it
The Model Club
Tell all the Bohs you know
that we've gone and won two-in-a-row
and it's not gonna be three
and it's not gonna be four
it's more likely to be 5-1.
I'd argue this was debatable too. Yes it struck his arm in the box but it was accidental.Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
The rules state that unless the referee deems the handball to be deliberate, it is not a penalty.
I don't like Chelsea at all but lets not be silly about this it was a stonewall peno end of.
In your opinion it was. However, the rules state that if it's either ball to hand, or accidental it's not. So realistically, it's often difficult to call whether a handball incident is a penalty. Just like the one of Wednesday.
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It was a peno.
Sorry, you're quite right. You've convinced me.
My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method, is love. I love you Sheriff Truman.
Well if you needed convincing i don't know
What are you basing the argument on? Somebody else has mentioned a rule (no idea if it is correct or not) that if it is not hand to ball it is not a penalty.
What the hell has Heysel got to do with this thread?
[QUOTE=osarusan;1156848]What are you basing the argument on? Somebody else has mentioned a rule (no idea if it is correct or not) that if it is not hand to ball it is not a penalty.[/QUOTE
If you seriously need me to reply to that question you sir are a numpty
I'm a numpty, so go explain.If you seriously need me to reply to that question you sir are a numpty
Your argument seems to be that it's a penalty because..........well.........because..........it just is.
I believe Chelsea should be banned from Europe for the fan's and the club's actions on Wednesday. I made that perfectly clear in previous posts, and in that post itself. Do you automatically do a search for anything that might involve Liverpool?
There's no need to get offended, not everything that refers to Liverpool is criticising them.
My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method, is love. I love you Sheriff Truman.
Go on have a guess?
That is not a rule of football though. This hand to ball or ball to hand is not mentioned in the rule book.And who is to say that Chelsea would have scored from the only incident that probably was a peno - the first handball and I am not still convinced about that? It was ball to hand rather than hand to ball. How did Chelsea lose the Final last year? Oh yes, it was on penos
In Trap we trust
http://www.fifa.com/newscentre/news/newsid=71939.html
It is important in football for the players - and in an ideal world, the fans too - at least to understand the most basic rules. But the crazy thing is that so many popular beliefs about the rules have survived so long, even without any basis in fact, that they have come to assume the force of law in many people's opinion. Let's look at a few :
Voluntary and involuntary handball :
The referee has just one thing to consider in taking his necessarily quick decision in a handball situation : was it intentional or not? He has to decide whether the ball went to the hand, maybe on the rebound, or the hand to the ball. He should not intervene if the ball goes to hand, nor if the player is clearly protecting himself rather than trying to take advantage of the situation.
Still a definite peno Rafa?
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
I watched it again and I'd say you're right - he did not move his hand towards the ball - his hand was in the same place before it was kicked.
tbh I'd be livid if it wasn't given if it happened against Ireland though. It just looked like the type of handball that is always penalised.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 08/05/2009 at 6:19 PM.
I think that "ball to hand / hand to ball" is a flawed simplification of the issue of whether a handball was intentional or not.
Let's take a scenario where a defender stands on the goalline with his arms stretched up grabbing the crossbar. The ball is headed onto his arms by an attacker, and there is no question that the ball would have crossed the line had it not hit his arm. However, the defender has not moved his arms in any way to block the ball. Is this a penalty?
Is moving your hand into the path of the ball to block it different from putting your arms in a position where they will likely block a ball that you wouldn't otherwise block?
I taught the rule was that if it was intentional or the team was gaining an advantage from it
I agree. I would have been so p*ssed if the referee in the Georgia game hadn't made the right call for the handball penalty decision.
My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method, is love. I love you Sheriff Truman.
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