CL knock out stage

**Weatherman** · 06/05/2009, 10:21 AM

Didnt see them talking before the match but they said after it was boys v men!! very funny towards the end when dunphy told souness he didnt know what he was talking about and then souness replied with, Who did you manage!!!!

Great Stuff!!

**KK77** · 06/05/2009, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

He came in from the side and got a good touch on the ball before Fabregas fell over him. If he went through Fabregas to get a touch on the ball I would agree with ye, and I wouldn't even call it harsh, but that's not what happened. He was pretty much side by side with Fabregas so how could it be a tackle from behind?

He gets the ball. Okay.
But he plays it into an area that Fabregas can still reach and score from.
Then he wraps himself all around Fabregas' legs and brings him down.
Penalty.

**DeLorean** · 06/05/2009, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

He gets the ball. Okay.
But he plays it into an area that Fabregas can still reach and score from.
Then he wraps himself all around Fabregas' legs and brings him down.
Penalty.

With a name like that I don't think I'm gonna get much joy here. You're wrong though

**KK77** · 06/05/2009, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

With a name like that I don't think I'm gonna get much joy here. You're wrong though

Utd won and deserved to win but still doesn't change the fact it was the correct decesion. The reaction of Fletcher tells it all for me.

You miss the point.

He fouled him after he played the ball. The ref can give a foul at any point during that piece of play.
Its like a defender pulling an attackers shirt as he runs into the box. The ref can ignore it until he's into the box, and if the defender is stilll pulling the shirt - then he can give a penalty as he's fouling him all the time, not just when he first pulls at the shirt.

In that Fletcher thing - his foot comeas round and plays the ball. No foul. Then his legs wrap round Fabregas and bring him down - there is the foul as the ball is still there to be played by the attacker. Last man - red card. Its like saying clumsiness is not a foul, but just simple clumsiness as its not deliberate.

**rambler14** · 06/05/2009, 10:52 AM

Justice for Fletcher!

**DeLorean** · 06/05/2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

Utd won and deserved to win but still doesn't change the fact it was the correct decesion

There is no link between the two things. I know you are just trying to show how neutral and objective you are by stating United deserved their win.

Originally Posted by Rafa B

You miss the point.

I don't, I just don't agree with you

**KK77** · 06/05/2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

There is no link between the two things. I know you are just trying to show how neutral and objective you are by stating United deserved their win.

But Utd did deserve to win. How could i say otherwise.

I don't, I just don't agree with you

Well then get glasses

**DeLorean** · 06/05/2009, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

Well then get glasses

Like these is it?

**KK77** · 06/05/2009, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Like these is it?

Well depends on what you like yourself

**Denis The Red** · 06/05/2009, 11:48 AM

I love the RTE coverage, it's like you know it's wrong but can't look away. It's hardly ever boring. There isn't a live match where I don't have a good laugh at something Dunphy said or did. Bill once revealed that he asked Souness what he thought of the job shortly after he joined and he said he loved it because you can be honest unlike other channels where the "analysts" are merely sitting interviews and putting themselves in the shop window for managers job, so they don't like upsetting anyone.

I agree with Owlsfan in his interpretation of how the rules are implemeted in this case, however my understanding of the "professional foul" is a deliberate and cynical attempt to unfairly stop an opponent from scoring when he is clearly going to. I didn't think this was the case with Fletcher's tackle. That said, the ref had to send him off because his hands are tied and because he would have to answer to his superiors for not following the rules to the letter. It just takes away from the human side of the game because a yellow would have sufficed if the ref was allowed to use common sense and understanding of the situation.
I also think there should be a process of appeal. A little dictatorial without one really.

**KK77** · 06/05/2009, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Denis The Red

I love the RTE coverage, it's like you know it's wrong but can't look away. It's hardly ever boring. There isn't a live match where I don't have a good laugh at something Dunphy said or did. Bill once revealed that he asked Souness what he thought of the job shortly after he joined and he said he loved it because you can be honest unlike other channels where the "analysts" are merely sitting interviews and putting themselves in the shop window for managers job, so they don't like upsetting anyone.

I agree with Owlsfan in his interpretation of how the rules are implemeted in this case, however my understanding of the "professional foul" is a deliberate and cynical attempt to unfailry stop an opponent from scoring when he is clearly going to. I didn't think this was the case with Fletcher's tackle. That said, the ref had to send him off because his hands are tied and because he would have to answer to his superiors for not following the rules to the letter. It just takes away from the human side of the game because a yellow would have sufficed if the ref was allowed to use common sense and understanding of the situation.

Very true about the yellow cards and the human side of the game. Suppose these things even themselves out over the season.

**DeLorean** · 06/05/2009, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

Very true about the yellow cards and the human side of the game. Suppose these things even themselves out over the season.

Not for The Fletch!!

**KK77** · 06/05/2009, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Not for The Fletch!!

Or Gomes

**Pious37** · 06/05/2009, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

Or Gomes

Your a bitter man, FACT

**KK77** · 06/05/2009, 1:44 PM

Originally Posted by Pious37

Your a bitter man, FACT

I am joking hence the

FACT! Some people on this site

**OwlsFan** · 06/05/2009, 2:07 PM

Originally Posted by Denis The Red

Bill once revealed that he asked Souness what he thought of the job shortly after he joined and he said he loved it because you can be honest unlike other channels where the "analysts" are merely sitting interviews and putting themselves in the shop window for managers job, so they don't like upsetting anyone.

Hardly an unbiased hearsay quote is it?

I don't give a damn what the panel says except when it comes to the Irish games. For 16 years (1988-2004) all 3 (Laughing Bill, Drunkphy and Father Time) launched in to personal and vitriolic attacks on the incumbent Irish manager with no balance from anyone else. Souness adds balance AT LAST.

**DeLorean** · 06/05/2009, 2:13 PM

I think Giles would be a much more valuable analyst if he was so afraid of Dunphy. Dunphy talks complete farsical rubbish and Giles is too scared to pull him on it. He would never speak to Dunphy the way he spoke to Souness last night, especially since they kissed and made up that time.

**smasher** · 06/05/2009, 2:21 PM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Hardly an unbiased hearsay quote is it?

I don't give a damn what the panel says except when it comes to the Irish games. For 16 years (1988-2004) all 3 (Laughing Bill, Drunkphy and Father Time) launched in to personal and vitriolic attacks on the incumbent Irish manager with no balance from anyone else. Souness adds balance AT LAST.

Dipstick Dunphy is used for the entertainment value and not his analytical wherewithall. He regularily contradicts himself and appeals to the barstool ' experts' only.
Souness and Brady, before him, provided open unbiased analysis. Brady was especially good during 'Saipan affair.

reder · 06/05/2009, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

With a name like that I don't think I'm gonna get much joy here. You're wrong though

I dont think Rafa B is but I would say that it was a penalty looking at it from a different perspective.

Fletcher got the ball and the man but it was a tackle from behind which is a foul. As this was in the penalty box, it was a penalty. You cannot tackle from behind anymore, end of story.

As the foul was on a player who was 1v1 with the keeper, it was a red card offence.

**KK77** · 06/05/2009, 2:44 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

I think Giles would be a much more valuable analyst if he was so afraid of Dunphy. Dunphy talks complete farsical rubbish and Giles is too scared to pull him on it. He would never speak to Dunphy the way he spoke to Souness last night, especially since they kissed and made up that time.

Being saying this for god knows how long. Spot on great post.