The "Will We Stay Up?" thread

**pineapple stu** · 03/12/2008, 12:58 PM

Drogheda look dead and buried at this stage, to be honest.

Reports in various papers that they, along with Athlone, Cobh, Harps, Bray and Cork have failed to pay their players by 30 November as per licencing. Other reports have just four teams. Interesting that Bray are there - contradicts the earlier theory that they cut back on players' wages to dip under the 65% wage cap. Looks like there could be big cuts there next year too.

In theory, none of those can get a licence. In Ireland, they've now got till 31 January to pay up or risk an even longer deadline.

So will we stay up? My money's still firmly on "No", but it'll be an interesting pre-season keeping an eye on what goes on. Either way, it looks like we're going to bounce back much the stronger for this in the coming years.

**Rovers1** · 03/12/2008, 1:13 PM

Would it not be Finn Harps who are would be offered a place first??

**holidaysong** · 03/12/2008, 1:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rovers1

Would it not be Finn Harps who are would be offered a place first??

If Harps and Cobh don't pay the outstanding wages they are reported to owe then UCD would be next in line.

**Rovers1** · 03/12/2008, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by holidaysong

If Harps and Cobh don't pay the outstanding wages they are reported to owe then UCD would be next in line.

oh i see, thought they'd settled all that..

**Bald Student** · 03/12/2008, 1:48 PM

Imagine the abuse we'd get from Galway fans if we stay up.

**noby** · 03/12/2008, 2:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bald Student

Imagine the abuse we'd get from Galway fans if we stay up.

I sense a little glee in that sentence.

**John83** · 03/12/2008, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by noby

I sense a little glee in that sentence.

We could send them a DVD of us giggling like schoolgirls.

**joeSoap** · 03/12/2008, 2:54 PM

Not going to happen I'm afraid. The FAI have shown in the past that they are very amenable to moving the goialposts on licencing issues and will do so here if necessary.

**John83** · 03/12/2008, 3:15 PM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

Not going to happen I'm afraid. The FAI have shown in the past that they are very amenable to moving the goialposts on licencing issues and will do so here if necessary.

Yes they have. So many clubs have been in trouble this year that I can see them fudging like made this close season. I fully expect no one bar probably Drogheda to be religated for licensing issues.

**Burnsie** · 05/12/2008, 1:41 PM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

Not going to happen I'm afraid. The FAI have shown in the past that they are very amenable to moving the goialposts on licencing issues and will do so here if necessary.

I agree entirely

**higgins** · 05/12/2008, 5:14 PM

If those reports are true then UCD should stay up at the expense of Drogheda Finn Harps and Cobh.

Also, I keep mentioning it but Shelbourne stuck to the deadlines set for payments when we were in trouble. We cleared debts with the revenue and had agreements with all other creditors including players but we still got punished with demotion.

Meeting the deadlines only entitles you to get a licence. The FAI will still have to decide on what punishment you get for not having everything running correctly in the first place.

At least that's what happened to Shels.
The rules are more serious now too, there was no overspending of 65% when Shels were punished.

Still I'd expect the FAI to do nothing..

**Bald Student** · 05/12/2008, 5:44 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Also, I keep mentioning it but Shelbourne stuck to the deadlines set for payments when we were in trouble. We cleared debts with the revenue and had agreements with all other creditors including players but we still got punished with demotion.

The revenue took yee to court twice to get that money and their barrister said in court that yee didn't stick to the agreed schedule.

**pineapple stu** · 05/12/2008, 5:50 PM

Bald Student is the new pineapple stu...

**John83** · 05/12/2008, 6:04 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Bald Student is the new pineapple stu...

There's no speculation based on a cobbled collection of public accounts, newspaper reports and gossip there. BS saw that with his own eyes.

**Bald Student** · 05/12/2008, 6:09 PM

Originally Posted by John83

There's no speculation based on a cobbled collection of public accounts, newspaper reports and gossip there. BS saw that with his own eyes.

Technically, I heard it with my ears. I can't lip read.

**John83** · 05/12/2008, 6:29 PM

Originally Posted by Bald Student

Technically, I heard it with my ears. I can't lip read.

Touch�. However, we were behind the lawyer so lipreading wouldn't have helped unless he was talking out of his ass.

**higgins** · 12/12/2008, 3:38 AM

Originally Posted by Bald Student

The revenue took yee to court twice to get that money and their barrister said in court that yee didn't stick to the agreed schedule.

All before what I'm talking about..

When the season ended we were set deadlines to pay in full and to come to erms with all creditors. We done all that and to this day have stuck to those agreements.

We were still demoted.

**HarpoJoyce** · 12/12/2008, 8:22 AM

Originally Posted by higgins

All before what I'm talking about..

When the season ended we were set deadlines to pay in full and to come to erms with all creditors. We done all that and to this day have stuck to those agreements.

We were still demoted.

Your demotion was that you were out of the top 12. You present it like Shelbourne are innocent and the FAI vitimicised you.

You voluntarily left the Setanta Cup in Spring of 2007 and the the pressure was on the club whether they were going to compete in the Champions League qualifiers. In recent times Shels most oft-quoted competition. Dermot Keeley is proud of the fact he arrived to a club with two players and friends, Shels didn't think Shels had, helped Shels out.

When players, employees and Service Providers are pressurised to take a cut in income/revenue or are pressurised to renegotiate already agreed contracts to their detriment, this is not an acceptable situation.
Should you get solicitors like Ennio Mallocco back at your club to help you with these vagries in the Law?

**higgins** · 13/12/2008, 4:23 PM

Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

When players, employees and Service Providers are pressurised to take a cut in income/revenue or are pressurised to renegotiate already agreed contracts to their detriment, this is not an acceptable situation.

Of course it's unacceptable.
We deserved what we got.

I'm just saying that if the same rules are applied to the current teams in the Premier who have also broken contracts with players then UCD should rightfully stay up.

**HarpoJoyce** · 13/12/2008, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Of course it's unacceptable.
We deserved what we got.

I'm just saying that if the same rules are applied to the current teams in the Premier who have also broken contracts with players then UCD should rightfully stay up.

Thanks for the reply.
On your second point, about broken contracts and relegation. There's alot of people at UCD who believe the same. I'm still undecided about it.
Certainly, a club that went to Court to reneged on contracts and promises through the Examinership process should be serverely punished, including relegation from the Division they are in. I can't defend those clubs' actions in my sporting community and I don't.
I never understand why the High Court's decision in favour of Shamrock Rovers is considered good for the LoI. But I don't understand people who abuse minorities either.