Tribune: FAI bans 30 in campdown on hooligans

[OneRedArmy]

There is trouble at matches. It is a fact and one that shouldn't be brushed under the carpet by eircom League fans. We all know it exists so why make a big joke out of it?

How many matches?

Can you be specific please.

[cheech]

How many matches?

Can you be specific please.

Specific for Derry?

Okay Shamrock Rovers fans getting battered in the Brandywell by your security.

Derry fans fighting fans in the Cat and Cage.

Specific in general?

There have been many many incidents this last few seasons with the schooligans from more than one club.

"yeah, when did you see it? I haven't seen trouble at a game in years and I support a team who supposedly has one of the worst problems. In fact the only thing that would come close to being called trouble I've seen at games was the Gardaí almost kicking off a few times with their supposed "crowd control" measures."

Hill 16 Pub Rovers and Bohs fans.
Inchicore Rovers and Bohs fans bus wrecked, mini riot on street.
Bohs schooligans attacking buses that Rovers fans get from Tolka after their games.
Pats V Cork. Cork fan gets nose broke. Another gets split with rock while in Richmond Park.
Rovers fans attacking Section A in Dalymount Park.
Dundalk fans attacking Rovers fans outside Oriel Park.
Young Shels fan gets bottled nearly loses an eye by Bohs fan outside Tolka.
Young Bray fan gets badly beaten up outside Finn Park by Harps fans.
Bohs fans attack pub in Derry.
Rovers fans attacked outside ground in Limerick.
Rovers fan getting glassed in face in Horseshoe by Cork fan.
Young Harps fan gets nose broke outside Showgrounds by Sligo fan.

Thats just off the top of my head.

I'm not saying that hooliganism is widespread in the league because it is not. But it is there and to make a joke of it or to say it doesn't happen is not helpful.

[BohsPartisan]

Hill 16 Pub Rovers and Bohs fans.
Inchicore Rovers and Bohs fans bus wrecked, mini riot on street.
Bohs schooligans attacking buses that Rovers fans get from Tolka after their games.
Pats V Cork. Cork fan gets nose broke. Another gets split with rock while in Richmond Park.
Rovers fans attacking Section A in Dalymount Park.
Dundalk fans attacking Rovers fans outside Oriel Park.
Young Shels fan gets bottled nearly loses an eye by Bohs fan outside Tolka.
Young Bray fan gets badly beaten up outside Finn Park by Harps fans.
Bohs fans attack pub in Derry.
Rovers fans attacked outside ground in Limerick.
Rovers fan getting glassed in face in Horseshoe by Cork fan.
Young Harps fan gets nose broke outside Showgrounds by Sligo fan.

Most of those were either years ago or not at games. And it was section G that Rovers fans attacked. That was at least 5 years ago and its probably the last time I remember seeing trouble inside a ground. The one at Inchicore was as a result of Rovers fckin up the security arrangements and also was quite a while ago (4 or 5 years?). The hil 16 incident was a mile away from both grounds and hours before the game and was also a couple of years back. Name something this year. There was only one major incident I can name off the top of my head and it wasn't at a game but took place elsewhere when the game was going on.

[HarpoJoyce]

Most of those were either years ago or not at games. And it was section G that Rovers fans attacked. That was at least 5 years ago and its probably the last time I remember seeing trouble inside a ground. The one at Inchicore was as a result of Rovers fckin up the security arrangements and also was quite a while ago (4 or 5 years?). The hil 16 incident was a mile away from both grounds and hours before the game and was also a couple of years back. Name something this year. There was only one major incident I can name off the top of my head and it wasn't at a game but took place elsewhere when the game was going on.

Great, everything you have said reaffirms that better security at LoI games is needed. Because clubs, as you attest, were unable to protect appropiately it's neccessary for the State to take a hand.

Now,time for Bohemian FC transparency.
How many of the banned fans are associated with Bohs?
Why does it take the cops to ban fans and not the clubs themselves/
BohsPartisan,are you running scared?

[cheech]

Most of those were either years ago or not at games. And it was section G that Rovers fans attacked. That was at least 5 years ago and its probably the last time I remember seeing trouble inside a ground. The one at Inchicore was as a result of Rovers fckin up the security arrangements and also was quite a while ago (4 or 5 years?). The hil 16 incident was a mile away from both grounds and hours before the game and was also a couple of years back. Name something this year. There was only one major incident I can name off the top of my head and it wasn't at a game but took place elsewhere when the game was going on.

I'm not disagreeing with you but does it matter if it is inside the ground or not?

There are fans attached to certain clubs that like to fight with one another. Its not like it is a big secret.

From what I can gather, there was plenty of incidents away from the grounds this year from the schooligans of Bohs, Shels and Rovers. Bebo is full of these little arsewipes.

[MMVIII]

Just because bebo is full of them doesnt mean theres fights. Id say most go to very little games

[BohsPartisan]

Great, everything you have said reaffirms that better security at LoI games is needed. Because clubs, as you attest, were unable to protect appropiately it's neccessary for the State to take a hand.

Now,time for Bohemian FC transparency.
How many of the banned fans are associated with Bohs?
Why does it take the cops to ban fans and not the clubs themselves/
BohsPartisan,are you running scared?

When did the cops ban fans? How am I running? What are you talking about?
Because I have pointed out that there is no trouble at games nowadays and occasionally there is trouble away from games, then there is better security needed at games?
Its not up to Bohs or Rovers or anyone to maintain public order anywhere else but within and in the direct vicinity of the stadium on matchday. Its the job of the Gardaí to arrest anyone they deem to be in breech of the public order act anywhere else. The fact of the matter is that the Gardaí's idea of crowd control is to antagonise people. I've been at games in other countries with far bigger potential for trouble and the cops seem to be able to cordon off rival groups of fans from each other, ensure they can enjoy themselves within their own boundaries and not antagonise people. I've seen the Gardaí cause problems at games where there was no potential for trouble.

[HarpoJoyce]

When did the cops ban fans? How am I running? What are you talking about?
Because I have pointed out that there is no trouble at games nowadays and occasionally there is trouble away from games, then there is better security needed at games?
Its not up to Bohs or Rovers or anyone to maintain public order anywhere else but within and in the direct vicinity of the stadium on matchday. Its the job of the Gardaí to arrest anyone they deem to be in breech of the public order act anywhere else. The fact of the matter is that the Gardaí's idea of crowd control is to antagonise people. I've been at games in other countries with far bigger potential for trouble and the cops seem to be able to cordon off rival groups of fans from each other, ensure they can enjoy themselves within their own boundaries and not antagonise people. I've seen the Gardaí cause problems at games where there was no potential for trouble.

We were slagging off cops earlier in the thread.
I have seen and experienced trouble at games in and outside Dublin (Not at UCD Bowl.) this season. If you havn't experienced, maybe it's because of the excellent security, including the efforts of the Garda Síochana at the games you go to. Your lucky. But you appear to dismiss their efforts to keep football fans safe. You don't give a valid reason why you would do it.

The arguement 'it's not the job of FC's to contol fans away from the ground' is naive. If football club invite people to a regular event they need to bear the cost in minimising the risks to does people. If they expect trouble and do not take adequate precautions to prevent it. They leave themselves incresingly liable.

[BohsPartisan]

We were slagging off cops earlier in the thread.
I have seen and experienced trouble at games in and outside Dublin (Not at UCD Bowl.) this season. If you havn't experienced, maybe it's because of the excellent security, including the efforts of the Garda Síochana at the games you go to. Your lucky. But you appear to dismiss their efforts to keep football fans safe. You don't give a valid reason why you would do it.

The arguement 'it's not the job of FC's to contol fans away from the ground' is naive. If football club invite people to a regular event they need to bear the cost in minimising the risks to does people.

I don't dismiss efforts to keep football fans safe. I simply think that the issue is overblown by the media and I think most fans would be of the same mind. Bad news sells. The cops are incompetent when it comes to event management in this country. Its a self evident truth.

If they expect trouble and do not take adequate precautions to prevent it. They leave themselves incresingly liable.

How do clubs take precautions to prevent trouble miles away from their ground?

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Just because bebo is full of them doesnt mean theres fights.

Well the videos and photos on their Bebo sites means there is.

Id say most go to very little games

You'd say? That doesn't really quantify to be honest. And again. There is plenty of evidence on their Bebo pages to suggest otherwise.

I have lived in Dublin for nearly 20 years and been to a lot of games over the last few seasons. Dalymount, Tolka, Richmond and Belfield. I've seen plenty of hassle outside the grounds from these schooligans. From my own experiences it has been mostly Bohs and Shels 15 year olds. But getting back to my original post. There is trouble attached to the eircom League. We all know it and it does the image of the league no good.

Personally, I don't mind a bit of tension and atmosphere. I'm not into facilities. I like football and I like the tribalism that goes with it. I would rather have fans segregated with loads of banter than these love-ins. But that has nothing to do with the original point.

[maroon ultra]

Harpo, can u tell us about the trouble you have experienced at games in and outside Dublin?

[MMVIII]

Well the videos and photos on their Bebo sites means there is.



You'd say? That doesn't really quantify to be honest. And again. There is plenty of evidence on their Bebo pages to suggest otherwise.

I have lived in Dublin for nearly 20 years and been to a lot of games over the last few seasons. Dalymount, Tolka, Richmond and Belfield. I've seen plenty of hassle outside the grounds from these schooligans. From my own experiences it has been mostly Bohs and Shels 15 year olds. But getting back to my original post. There is trouble attached to the eircom League. We all know it and it does the image of the league no good.

Personally, I don't mind a bit of tension and atmosphere. I'm not into facilities. I like football and I like the tribalism that goes with it. I would rather have fans segregated with loads of banter than these love-ins. But that has nothing to do with the original point.

Yes theres videos of them singing on trains etc acting the hard men, but there is no photos or videos of them fighting. Im not saying it doesnt happen im just saying just because they have bebo pages doesnt mean they actually fight. Dont get me wrong im not sticking up for these schooligans, fighting has nothing to do with football.

[Student Mullet]

Wasn't there a pub in Derry smashed up about this time last year?

[Poor Student]

Great, everything you have said reaffirms that better security at LoI games is needed. Because clubs, as you attest, were unable to protect appropiately it's neccessary for the State to take a hand.

Now,time for Bohemian FC transparency.
How many of the banned fans are associated with Bohs?
Why does it take the cops to ban fans and not the clubs themselves/
BohsPartisan,are you running scared?

In fairness, I know a guy who is employed by Bohs (or at least was a few months ago) to travel to away games and stand at the entrance to grounds and point out to the security/gardai the fans who have been banned from Dalymount trying to make their way in.

[BohsPartisan]

Wasn't there a pub in Derry smashed up about this time last year?

And your point is? Another incident miles away from a loi ground.

[maroon ultra]

So are you suggesting that because it did not happen in the ground that it had nothing to do with LOI? The article, as ridiculous and needless as it was, never said that the violence happened in or outside grounds just that it involved EL clubs fans. Ostrich springs to mind.

[cheech]

And your point is? Another incident miles away from a loi ground.

Are you for real?

Busload of drunken Bohs fans smashed up a pub the day of a game.

Do you not find that slightly relevant to the LOI?

Do you think that there is a hooligan problem in England?

Obviously not as there is very rarely - more rarely than here maybe - trouble in or around the grounds in England.

[jebus]

Couldn't care less if the gardai take an interest in the LoI cause we're all well behaved travelling from Limerick.

I do have an issue with clubs washing their hands of incidents however, can anyone from Shels verify how many bannings were handed out to the 100 odd kids who ran the length of the pitch to 'get' the Limerick supporters for instance? Doesn't matter that they didn't have the balls to go through with their nonsense threats before anyone points out that they didn't actually hit any of us

Are you for real?

Busload of drunken Bohs fans smashed up a pub the day of a game.

Do you not find that slightly relevant to the LOI?

Do you think that there is a hooligan problem in England?

Obviously not as there is very rarely - more rarely than here maybe - trouble in or around the grounds in England.

That last line is nonsense. There's still plenty of trouble away from the grounds in England, it's just on a lot smaller scale than it used to be and the FA actually combat any negative press the British media might produce

[Rovers Maniac]

Couldn't care less if the gardai take an interest in the LoI cause we're all well behaved travelling from Limerick.

I do have an issue with clubs washing their hands of incidents however, can anyone from Shels verify how many bannings were handed out to the 100 odd kids who ran the length of the pitch to 'get' the Limerick supporters for instance? Doesn't matter that they didn't have the balls to go through with their nonsense threats before anyone points out that they didn't actually hit any of us



That last line is nonsense. There's still plenty of trouble away from the grounds in England, it's just on a lot smaller scale than it used to be and the FA actually combat any negative press the British media might produce

I would say about the same number of Limerick fan that were actually attacked ! Zero from what i heard, God to quote Dodge calm down ya Drama queen !

[jebus]

I would say about the same number of Limerick fan that were actually attacked ! Zero from what i heard, God to quote Dodge calm down ya Drama queen !

You've stuck to supporting Sligo for a while now haven't you? Surely you're due another another change of club soon?