QuoteSimply Red? Mick Hucknall was a mainstay of the Fulchester Rovers team in "Billy the Fish".Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Who is Red? Hardly Michael Reddy
Simply Red? Mick Hucknall was a mainstay of the Fulchester Rovers team in "Billy the Fish".
Quoting years at random since 1975
I'm pre-empting that Ciaran is refering to Stevie Reid, who incidentially is not a playmaker but then again, presumption is the mother of all fook ups...
'hold on a minute baby, you have jumped over the fence'
No, he said all 3 are fit and available so that can't be it....Ciaran??
As good as Stephen Reid is, i have never realy seen him as a playmaker. Would love to have those three in the middle for us with McGeady and Duff on the wings. This would be a phenomenally creative midfield and would worry a lot of teams. The only downside is either Keane or Doyle wuld have to be dropped, or we would have to have a 3 man defence, which is never going to happen. Unfortunalty we probably have to accept that these three in question will not play a minte of this campaign in the future.
Ruben De La Red...?
red rum?! And red if indeed reid, is not fit and available.
And ireland is more of an attacking midfielder a la lampard getting into the area at the right time than a playmaker.
Certainly reid of the andrew kind or steven reid are not irelands greatest ever playmakers. what planet do you live on?
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Gun to my head, stephen ireland
We'll never die, we'll never die
Liam Brady, Johnny Giles, John Sheridan, Roy Keane, Ronnie Whelan ahhh none of them are as good as this lot. ha ha Ciaran you are deluded.
In Trap we trust
The role of the playmaker in the modern game is an interesting one. There are very few in the EPL as the nature of the game there is more suited to more physical and athletic midfielders. Fabregas, Alonso, Carrick and Modric are among only a few who play regularly. Stephen Ireland too I guess.
That's more than there used to be a few years ago I suspect so it looks like maybe the playmaker is coming back into vogue again.
In our case we've often had good playmaking types. I used to really like Stephen McPhail, but O'Leary said there was no role for his type of player in the modern game.
There are various types of playmaker too. There's the Zidane-like "number 10" who is an advanced playmaker, the deeper-lying Pirlo or Xavi Alonso type, or the all singing / all dancing playmaker like Fabregas.
In the case of Fabregas even Aragones didn't see fit to include him in Spain's starting XIs during the summer so the merits of having a playmaker in a winning team at international level are often trumped by pragmatism.
In Ireland's case, I don't see why a playmaking type should be inconsistent with defensive solidity as I'm not convinced that two out and out wide players is the best use of our resources. Of the so-called playmakers we have available, I'd say all are advanced "number 10" types who could be deplyed effectively in a range of shapes (4-3-1-2, 4-2-3-1...) as I'm sure Paul O'Shea would love to discuss.
None of our current playmakers can even touch some of those we've had in the past.
WTF is "Red" anyway?
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 25/11/2008 at 3:41 PM.
i think by red he means robbie the red. but hes just more of a striker than a playmaker..
lads its clear he means Red from Shawshank Redemption.... hes irish... and available.
It would be Ireland and Stephen Reid, every time if they were both fit and available.
A man can have no greater love than give 90 minutes to his friends
Put us out of our misery.....who's Red?
So far we have Stephen Reid, Robbie Keane and......Morgan Freeman apparently!!
Last edited by DeLorean; 25/11/2008 at 5:10 PM.
He never was a playmaker but I think since coming back from long term injury he is very much a playmaker. I first noticed it away to Arsenal last season and couldn't believe how different a player he was. Certainly for us under Trap he has played a playmakers role. In saying that, a lot of it has to do with the level players are playing. John O'Shea would be dictating and controlling the play at conference level. I'm sure Reid wouldn't be classed as a playmaker if we had Xavi, Fabregas and Alonso in our team.
It's also wrong to say England don't have playmakers. Barry, Carrick and a few others would be the heartbeat of the Irish team.
Also, Owen Garvan is way more advanced in the playmaking department than any of the 3 above mentioned players were at 20. He seems to be in great form.
"But the victory seemed a long way off in Suffolk as Derby failed to cope with the intelligence of Owen Garvan in midfield - a lovely left-footed playmaker with similarities to former Ram David Jones - and the strength of Jonathan Walters up front."
Last edited by eirebhoy; 25/11/2008 at 5:17 PM.
Do you think that Andy Reid and Stephen Reid and Stephen Ireland are better than the players i have mentioned. You are deluded man. Roy Keane to me is a playmaker. He made the play he dictated the play and got on the ball and set up attacks. That to me is playmaking. It may not fit your restricted view.
In Trap we trust
Oh if wikipedia says it then it must be true. Why did you not tell me that before.
In Trap we trust
ah well, if wikipedia says it......
what is a "killer play"? MacBeth or something??
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Have you ever played football or do you base all your "knowledge" on crap read from a computer???
you say S.Reid is fit and available?? really??? better tell Ince that aswel as he thinks hes injured. youre hung up on the idea that he said keane is a playmaker rather than answering his other points about numerous other players.
the 3 you mentioned might be the best playmakers in your time but youre only 19 or so yes? many many many better players and playmakers have donned the green before.
A.Reid and S.Ireland will probably never play for Ireland under Trap,why do we have to keep readin about them?
I've seen it all now. The above simply beggars belief.Is this happy hour in the dunce club or something? Seriously, learn to discuss. If you want to be an ass and contradict everything I said for no good reason other than the slim one in a million chance that a highly contributed wikipedia article could be wrong then go ahead just do it the hell away from my thread.
I mean seriously, what kind of moron claims Roy Keane is a playmaker and that wikipedia is always wrong.
I'd be interested to hear how you'd compare the all-knowing wikipedia definition to the descriptions I threw out on page 1. You were doing ok when you cited Deco as (one type of) playmaker but describing Fabregas as "too selfish" to be a playmaker is simply flabbergasting.
For what it's worth Roy Keane had everything in my opinion. At his peak he was probably the best so-called holding midfielder in the game, the best box-to-box midfielder in the game and his simple give-and-go passing had many attributes of a classic central midfield playmaker. He didn't have the flair of a Platini or Brady but to overlook his ability to dictate play is foolish.
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