Best Fans in the World debunked

**mandrake** · 20/11/2008, 11:06 AM

irish stewards facination with flares (not 70's trousers)
wasnt it funny wathcing the stewards trying to get the flares and in the end not bothering....!
maybe its better just to let them burn and then fizzle out , there is more trouble trying to stop them....it looked like the polish fans were better and handling them than the stewards

**jbyrne** · 20/11/2008, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

You quoted 61,000 attendence. That may have been tickets sold as the ground was nowhere near full on the top tier and the hill was closed. My own estimate was closer to 50k in the ground.

Also, do the Poles have an inherent ability to count better than the Irish?

61,000 mentioned on sky sports highlights last night. id say the poles had a fair idea how many tickets they sold to their fans, dont you think?

**gspain** · 20/11/2008, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by aidz1

For all those who made the excuse of Croke Park being blamed for the lack of atmosphere in recent games, well the polish showed exactly what the problem really is : the irish suport.

Last night showed that our home suport is really sh1t (which from the very odd exception in the last 15 years has been the case).

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The atmosphere was still poor enough last night. It was poor for the rugby on saturday too. I'm told it is fantastic for GAA but this is still possible as it's a GAA stadium. They have an affinity for the place and they are much closer to the pitch.

You can have a great atmosphere in half empty stadiums. Tolka was rocking on saturday night with just over 2,000 there.

I was in Thomond Park on tuesday night and the atmospher was incredible.

**citizenerased** · 20/11/2008, 11:45 AM

best away fans maybe, but home fans are shocking...we need a singing section, YBIG are currently starting a campaign for one!

**pineapple stu** · 20/11/2008, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

61,000 mentioned on sky sports highlights

Again, 50566 on the big screen as the official crowd. Sounded about right to me; Hill closed and large gaps around the whole ground.

**wexfordned** · 20/11/2008, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

61,000 apparently. probably in the top 2 or 3 european attendances last night. id imagine 40,000 + Irish fans which is pretty impressive for a nothing november friendly. thought we did ok at getting behind the team. away fans will always be more enthusiastic

If you think last nights support was ok then you have shockingly low expectations. Irish home support is s**t. Was more like a home game for Poland.

At away games Irish fans are drinking for 1/2 days beforehand so all fairly ****ed by game time so they sing away. All the Polish fans would have been in work yesterday & back in work today just like the Irish fans

**jbyrne** · 20/11/2008, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Again, 50566 on the big screen as the official crowd. Sounded about right to me; Hill closed and large gaps around the whole ground.

and again 61,000 on sky last night but so what?

**Claret Murph** · 20/11/2008, 12:19 PM

I have never seen the EL section so empty which was a shock

**pineapple stu** · 20/11/2008, 12:22 PM

If it was on the screen, it's official from the FAI, which is "so what". Unless I mis-read it and it said 60566, which is possible, but I didn't think it was that full at all.

**eirebhoy** · 20/11/2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by wexfordned

At away games Irish fans are drinking for 1/2 days beforehand so all fairly ****ed by game time so they sing away. All the Polish fans would have been in work yesterday & back in work today just like the Irish fans

If there were 100,000 Irish fans living in Poland, working in Poland, and the match was in Poland on a Wednesday night after work the Irish would still fill the stadium and sing their heads off.

**aidz1** · 20/11/2008, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

The atmosphere was still poor enough last night. It was poor for the rugby on saturday too. I'm told it is fantastic for GAA but this is still possible as it's a GAA stadium. They have an affinity for the place and they are much closer to the pitch.

You can have a great atmosphere in half empty stadiums. Tolka was rocking on saturday night with just over 2,000 there.

I was in Thomond Park on tuesday night and the atmospher was incredible.

eh?? the polish knew how to create an atmosphere last night. they never stopped singing..how was that poor?

**neutrino** · 20/11/2008, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Maribor

Never thought we were ever near the title, but hopefully tonight will debunk the myth.

The Polish fans showed how to support a team.

Such rubbish threads these really are. We're all a bunch of self loathing football fans if half the threads on here are to be believed. As has been said if Ireland played in a country where there were at least 100,000 they'd be drawing support from there too.

Poland were always going to bring massive support.Wouldnt you go to see Ireland play if they say were in Sydney and you lived there. Just becuase Poland bring massive support to a game is no reason to start on about "debunk the myth". Irish fans should look at themselves and not just generalise. I had many many wonderful nights supporting Ireland and always get involved in cheering them on. Some people (at nearly all home games for any team) just arent like that and go for the ocassion and watching players they see on TV. That's just the way they are and will never change. If a supporter wants to don the green and shout and cheer that's great but dont focus on those who dont. Croke Park has attracted alot of fans who have never been to an international game before who simply dont or cant know how to get involved supporting the team.

We think becuase we are real Eircom League supporters (granted alot on here arent) then we have the divine opinion on everything. But if someone comes on here who isnt in that bracket starts chirping about the Ireland support being a myth or we're a UK C selection we'd all be bashing the keyboards saying to the contrary.

People would want to get real and not be adopting the sensationalist attitude that seems to have leaked from 90's english tabloids into main stream Irish football culture.

Of course everyone has their opinion (this is a forum after all) and this is just mine

**Newryrep** · 20/11/2008, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by citizenerased

best away fans maybe, but home fans are shocking...we need a singing section, YBIG are currently starting a campaign for one!

Something definetly needs done for Lansdowne wrt singing section, in the BB form or whatever form they use it should have a separate section with tick box saying you accept the following terms and conditions along the lines of

1. It is not expected that this section will remained seated permanently over the course of 90 mins
2. This section will not be suitable for under 12's over 60's
3. This section is intended to originate the noise and atsmosphere and as such compliants about blocked views due to fans getting into the spirit of things will not be entertained eg flag waving, banners etc *they wont/cant officially let us stand
4 This section will not be suitable for anybody with registered disabilities
5. This section will not be suitable for anybody called Royston
6. This secton will not be suitable for anybody who intends to read the business section of the Irish times just before the game
7. This section is not suitable for anybody who goes for a hotdog half way through the first half
8 This section is not suitable people to sit and chat all the way throught the game and not bother about what is going on on the pitch
10. This section is not suitable for people to spend most of the game on the end of a mobile phone unless they are a heart surgeon or something such like.

etc

In short if you are not prepared to sit/stand sing your heart out for 90 mins then please do not tick the box

etc etc

**pineapple stu** · 20/11/2008, 12:56 PM

The FAI were asked to send something like this out the last time. They forgot.

**AidoM** · 20/11/2008, 1:13 PM

The "you're supposed to be at home" chant we sing at away matches seemed more true for last nights match

**Hibernian** · 20/11/2008, 1:25 PM

Couple things I would like to say

First fair play to the Poles they were loud and have say when they do that bounce it looks great to watch. However I was in canal end and what I saw from a few Polish fans had a lot to be desired and there gestures were uncalled for. Overall a credit to themselves though even with what I saw.

Now the fact remains and I have said it before that we are turning into a bunch of boo boys. Christ can Irish fans not just get behind there flaming team. Its all bloody moaning and groaning right throughout the game.

As for the best fans well I think the away support is unreal Stuggart, Paris, England 1991 people seem to forget that there about 1/4 million polish in Ireland (there's more then official 100,000 there has to be) and they wanted to see there team play when they might not get chance too for long time again. Only England and Holland bring better away support away from home right the way through campaigns.

Irish fans had 40,000 over in Paris dont forget and we are smaller country then Poland.

The problem seems to stem in the Home games where we get people leaving for food after 20minutes and people leaving the ground with ten minutes into a match. More people in my side were more interested in watching the bloody Mexican wave then watching the football.

I remember at one stage getting looks because I was trying to start a chant of "Ireland Ireland". I dont know whats happening but I would have got more entertainment from watching paint dry then having to look at the dull faces on most of the Irish crowd last night

**soccerc** · 20/11/2008, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by Newryrep

Something definetly needs done for Lansdowne wrt singing section, in the BB form or whatever form they use it should have a separate section with tick box saying you accept the following terms and conditions along the lines of

2. This section will not be suitable for under 12's over 60's

4 This section will not be suitable for anybody with registered disabilities

In short if you are not prepared to sit/stand sing your heart out for 90 mins then please do not tick the box

etc etc

Are you for real?

There are some people in your categories above who would give many a run for their money in terms of their vocal support.

Secondly, both are illegal under the terms of the Equal Status Act

**wexfordned** · 20/11/2008, 1:32 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

If there were 100,000 Irish fans living in Poland, working in Poland, and the match was in Poland on a Wednesday night after work the Irish would still fill the stadium and sing their heads off.

Would they all leave ten minutes early like our "wonderful" support. Fair enough about the polish fans but even for qualifying games in croker the atmosphere is more like a morgue.

**NeilMcD** · 20/11/2008, 1:40 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

Are you for real?

There are some people in your categories above who would give many a run for their money in terms of their vocal support.

Secondly, both are illegal under the terms of the Equal Status Act

Yeah there is certainly a much less offensive way of creating and atmosphere. Have a tick box for the singing section and also have a tick box for a family section. That should sort it out. The clue is in the title and if people want to sit and watch the game in peace and quiet then the family section is for them no matter what age they are.