QuotePossibly because most of the Socialism was tacked on afterwards......Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
Thats actually wrong their chief.
Many of the first Soclialist theorists were from exploiter nations and saw the nationalism which encompassed their empires degenerate into jingoism.
How ever many Revolutionary thinkers from the oppressed and exploited nations took a different trail of thought to Nationalsim.
A Mr James Connolly included.
Nationalism can be harnessed for Revolutionary movements in oppressed countrys.
It can be utilised to throw off the shackles of imperialism.
Such an exploitation of Nationalism can be seen in Cuba.
Castro's Revolution had a inherently Nationalist feel to it, coupled with Socialism of course.
One of Castro's idols was actually the nationalist freedom fighter Marti, who inspired Castro.
Possibly because most of the Socialism was tacked on afterwards......
Still a clear difference between progressive anti-imperialist nationalism ideologically speaking and reactionary imperialist/fascist/racist nationalism. I mean, Chavez and Morales both incorporate elements of indigenous nationalism in their Socialism because those people are the most oppressed. The Vietnamese also incorporated elements of nationalism and Socialism. For the record I don't but I can see the attraction and how its clearly far removed from the fascists.
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
Have to laugh at some of the s**te being talked about socialism on here it seems the Blueshirts live on on foot.ie
Having had contact with members of the socialist party in Belfast (the same party as Joe Higgins and all) I can assure you that they are not all mad republican bombers in fact a fair few of them were from Protestant/unionist backgrounds although obviously as Socialists they don't have much time for religion.
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Have to laugh at some of the s**te being talked about socialism on here it seems the Blueshirts live on on foot.ie
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yeah thats true - and a lot of them wear Blue club colours too - funny that
Have to laugh at people who start an argument despite being unable to read properly.Have to laugh at some of the s**te being talked about socialism on here it seems the Blueshirts live on on foot.ie
The evidence for Limerick being a Loyalist, Facist club:yeah thats true - and a lot of them wear Blue club colours too - funny that
The name begins with L
The team play in blue
We have an embryonic version of the Billy Boys which manages to offend everyone in earshot.
The evidence against Limerick being a loyalist club:
Er, it isn't........
Lads, stick to the facts and lose the rhetoric please.
We're aiming for a level above the houses of the Oireactas here!
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Rooftop Protest!.
(I bags nearest the open window 'cos its raining this evening and the water is dribbling down my neck.)
" I'll go right up to here,
it can't possibly hurt.
All they will find is my
beer and my shirt."
Bah thats the last time I make a tounge in cheek remark on here you boys are too sensitive! I was merely suggesting that some rather negative sweeping generalisations have been made about those who have a socialist outlook being violent terrorists!
The Blueshirts weren't really fascist anyway they were certainly right wing and exhibited fascist traits yes but that was about the height of it bar O'Duffy most of the leadership and the grassroots had a much more mundane outlook. My Blueshirt remark was refering to the rampant anti-socialism of 1930s Ireland of which the Blueshirts were a product and saying that it still seems to alive and kicking.
As for Limerick being a Loyalist club well you've lost me there!
If we're going to set standards, at least choose one within a modicum of respectability. A drunken argument in a pub, or a blazing row between spouses maybe. The Oreactas? Ha!
Last edited by dahamsta; 04/12/2008 at 5:50 PM.
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Leaked membership list and generals renew pressure on BNP
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6882306.eceThe British National Party came under attack from two fronts today as a group of retired generals accused it of hijacking the Armed Forces and its entire membership list was again leaked onto the internet
BNP leader Nick Griffin will appear on Question Time this Thursday.
Last edited by thischarmingman; 20/10/2009 at 11:51 AM.
Apparently there's an objection to him appearing on QT, because the party he represents is essentially illegal as it stands.
Bring him on, I say. Better to lift the rock and shine a bright light under it at the party than let it sit there spewing bile. David Aaronovitch has helpfuly detailed the 'Ten steps to put Nick Griffin on the wrong foot.'
Leaked again
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_Na...2C_15_Apr_2009
Is it a publicity generation thing I wonder......
I think its Peter Hain who raised the objection by sending a letter directly to the BBC
For me personally the only time I want to see Griffin on TV is if he's a contestant on Gladiators and Wolf is beating the carp out of him with a pugil stick
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Yeah, the fish-eating b@st@rd!
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Help me, Arthur Murphy, you're my only hope!
I'd love to see who has been stupid enough to join the BNP since the last list was leaked. Talk about deserving what you get
What I'm hoping for is a bunch of non-white to join once they amend their constitution as ordered by the court.
That'd really **** them off.
On the other hand, there's a lot to be said for having these guys in the open rather than underground.
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
If you were Indian or black or whatever, would you give the BNBP your contact details? Just to make a point?
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