BNP member list leaked

[Sheridan]

Get off the stage BP, most Sinn Fein "activists" (I'm sure you've met as many as I have) wouldn't know the difference between Marx & Engels and Marks & Spencer. Their ideology is based on racial antagonism and ethnic nationalism. And the fact that they've been complicit in the murders of so many people makes them functionally worse by orders of magnitude to the BNP.

[BohsPartisan]

Get off the stage BP, most Sinn Fein "activists" (I'm sure you've met as many as I have) wouldn't know the difference between Marx & Engels and Marks & Spencer. Their ideology is based on racial antagonism and ethnic nationalism. And the fact that they've been complicit in the murders of so many people makes them functionally worse by orders of magnitude to the BNP.

I'm not going to defend SF at all but its just plain wrong to put them in the same bracket as fascists. PIRA restricted the majority of their killings to security forces of a nation they were at war with (Numbers of sectarian killings are proportionally very low when compared with the loyalists) and the type of Ireland that SF claimed they wanted before they sold out wasn't one where people would be discriminated against on the basis of race. Yes I have met many SF members and they are a diverse lot. Some as you say haven't a clue but I've known ones who genuinely believed in Socialism.

[Student Mullet]

BNP members and supporters have also been involved for years in the Redwatch website, where pictures and personal details of anyone who dared to criticise them along with left wing activists, gay rights activists and anyone else they didn't like were posted with the words "Remember places, traitors' faces, they'll all pay for their crimes." The BNP are not just nationalist, they are Fascist knuckle dragging thugs (despite their attempts at improving their image - its all cosmetic).

And a debate in UCD was broken up by some anti-fascist group. This could go around in circles forever.

Numbers of sectarian killings are proportionally very low when compared with the loyalists

Well, that's OK then.

[Sheridan]

What were they doing in a nationalist party then? Socialism and nationalism are incompatible. PIRA had no mandate to go to war with anyone.

[BohsPartisan]

And a debate in UCD was broken up by some anti-fascist group. This could go around in circles forever.



Well, that's OK then.

Selective quoting is unfair and changes the meaning of my post. As for the debate broken up by Antifa? Was that the Irving one? If so, justified. He's an unabashed Nazi organiser and proven liar who shouldn't be given a platform. If people want to spout ill informed racist views, let them and we'll argue against them but if you start trying to organise white supremacist groups who's purpose is to violently target people on the basis of race then you will be stopped in your tracks.

[Lim till i die]

Wonder how many Foot.ie boys are on the list - a few of those mad feckers from Limerick maybe?

The BNP was infiltrated by all sorts of liberal pinko filth years ago.

I hear they hardly even beat people up anymore.

[Lim till i die]

As for the debate broken up by Antifa? Was that the Irving one? If so, justified. He's an unabashed Nazi organiser and proven liar who shouldn't be given a platform.

Isn't it amazing how socialists are so darn facist sometimes??

If people want to spout ill informed racist views, let them and we'll argue against them

Or break up the debate.........

[BohsPartisan]

Socialism and nationalism are incompatible.

I agree, but not everyone does. If you remember the old An Phoblacht masthead it read "For a thirty two county Socialist Republic". Some people confuse the quite correct policy of self-determination with nationalism and therefore pursue a political dead end by fusing nationalism and socialism.

PIRA had no mandate to go to war with anyone.

How do you explain the fact that people were queueing up to join in the late 60's/early 70's? Their mandate as it were, was the call from the Catholic working class communities to defend them against loyalist pogroms and state repression. Their war might have been futile, it may have been a tactical dead end, but there was widespread support for it. One of my earliest political memories was the hungerstrikes and I remember the widespread support the hunger-strikers had down here.

[Student Mullet]

Isn't it amazing how socialists are so darn facist sometimes??

I always considered politics to be horse-shoe shaped. If you go far around one way you'll meet some lads who went the other way around.

I hark back to a more innocent time when right and left wing referred to economic systems.

[BohsPartisan]

Isn't it amazing how socialists are so darn facist sometimes??

I'm not facist. When I'm drunk especially, faces cease to matter.

[BohsPartisan]

I hark back to a more innocent time when right and left wing referred to economic systems.

Its still what its about but Fascists want to violently wipe out the left, divide workers along racial lines and crush democratic rights. Stopping them from organising is a duty for any Socialist.

[Student Mullet]

Its still what its about but Fascists want to violently wipe out the left, divide workers along racial lines and crush democratic rights. Stopping them from organising is a duty for any Socialist.

Where as socialists want to attack university debates and conduct sectarian killings. I recommend you look further into my horse shoe theory.

[Lim till i die]

Stopping them from organising is a duty for any Socialist.

What else do Socialists do??

There's a reason why the BNP are winning council seats all over England and the far left are a laughing stock.

[BohsPartisan]

Where as socialists want to attack university debates and conduct sectarian killings. I recommend you look further into my horse shoe theory.

Er, what? Thats the dumbest post ever on foot.ie and thats saying something!

There's a reason why the BNP are winning council seats all over England and the far left are a laughing stock.

No arguments there. Which is why fighting fascism has to be primarily about building a strong left.

[Student Mullet]

Er, what? Thats the dumbest post ever on foot.ie and thats saying something!

I bow to your superior intellect.

Well played.

[BohsPartisan]

I bow to your superior intellect.

Well played.

Need me to spell it out?

1. To equate shutting down a debate where an invited guest's intention is to organise fascists to wipe out democratic rights, persecute people on the basis of race and sexuality, with the actual attempt to perpetrate those crimes is ludicrous. Its like saying someone trying to stop drug dealers selling in their neighborhood is as bad as the drug dealer.

2. What Socialists want to conduct sectarian killings? Is it all Socialists? Were the PIRA exlicitly socialist and did I say they were? Did I not agree that nationalism and socialism are mutually exclusive?

[bennocelt]

Get off the stage BP, most Sinn Fein "activists" (I'm sure you've met as many as I have) wouldn't know the difference between Marx & Engels and Marks & Spencer. Their ideology is based on racial antagonism and ethnic nationalism. And the fact that they've been complicit in the murders of so many people makes them functionally worse by orders of magnitude to the BNP.

yeah yeah but heh we are a republic now - funny how the English just handed it to us - oh no wait............

Sf dont tend to do well in south dublin anyway

[MariborKev]

PIRA restricted the majority of their killings

What do they want, our everlasting thanks? Tell it to the family of men like Patsy Gillespie. Not often I agree with Sheridan, but I'm four square behind him on this one.

[BohsPartisan]

What do they want, our everlasting thanks? Tell it to the family of men like Patsy Gillespie. Not often I agree with Sheridan, but I'm four square behind him on this one.

No and I didn't say it was right, I was just pointing out the lunacy of equating them with the BNP.

[Lionel Ritchie]

What do they want, our everlasting thanks? Tell it to the family of men like Patsy Gillespie. Not often I agree with Sheridan, but I'm four square behind him on this one.

The partial quote is a little unfair Maribor. I'm sure from what he's said that BP in no way condones the activities of the IRA in any of it's guises. Nor do I. I think the distinction he is making is between two groups, two ideaologys actually, where one group see themselves as freedom fighters attempting to subvert an illegitimate state, an occupying force etc and the other see themselves as a watchdog and as defenders of a state that they claim is being undermined from within by assorted auslanders and their treasonous homegrown liberal helpers.

The BNP may not be involved in an orchestrated violent campaign but make no mistake -the logical consequence of implementing their policies is violence and intimidation. No Asian, no Afro-Carribean, no Bangladeshi, indeed no Paddy of British birth is going to conclude that the BNPs 'Homeward Bound' manifesto is for them. They're all going to have to be 'Persuaded' that it's in their interests to go pack their gear.