Keane Walks Out On Sunderland

**OneRedArmy** · 04/12/2008, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

Kudos to whoever moved my thread and altered its title to make it less relevant to the forum it was intended for. Stifling discussion on a message board, you truly know what you're doing.

Hilarious that you don't like a bit of your own medicine.

Its karma for all the other threads you've jumped into and added nothing other than inane, WUM-type posts for your own self amusement.

**Noelys Guitar** · 04/12/2008, 1:46 PM

When have Sunderland ever been able to sign great players? Never. So Keane did a reasonable job bringing in players like Malbranque and Cisse. I am surprised he resigned as I still believe he has the makings of a good manager. Look at Fergies record in his first 3 years at United. And I can remember Howard Kendall being a couple of minutes away from the sack when Everton snatched a late goal against Norwich in a an FA cup match. Everton went on to win the FA cup/league and cup winners cup. I can see him returning to management in a few years. He could do worse than follow Tony Adam's example and go abroad and learn the ropes.

**shakermaker1982** · 04/12/2008, 1:51 PM

I'm with you Hibernian on this one. There are lots of people in Ireland and on this forum that want to see Keane fall flat on his face. Why?

1: WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.
2. He played for Man Utd and was a winner? Lots of Irish Liverpool fans unfortunately....
3. Irish people started to watch Sunderland once he became manager? Who gives a flying f***? It's not his fault the Irish are good at jumping on the bandwagon.
4. Dunphy wrote his book?
5. He's from Cork?
6. He had more money to spend at Sunderland than Mick? Why should that get your knickers in a twist anyway.

**gustavo** · 04/12/2008, 1:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

Kudos to whoever moved my thread and altered its title to make it less relevant to the forum it was intended for. Stifling discussion on a message board, you truly know what you're doing.

I moved it because precisely 0 of the 20 plus posts after your opening post, including another one from yourself I might add , had any reference to the Irish players at the club, Had I been "stifling" discussion then surely I would have locked it rather than moved it to its more appropriate forum .

**galwayhoop** · 04/12/2008, 2:04 PM

well we could see this coming....

bad manager imho.

smelt like something was going terribly wrong for weeks, publicly questioning the players, questioning their attitude, seemed like their was nothing ever staying in-house which in fairness to Fergie (who he was inevitably compared to) everything usually does.

he spent copious amounts of money on players that never really improved his squad. granted he came up from the championship after a great run but he has been out of his depth in the premier league.

don't know if he is cut out for management but no doubt he will get another shot at it, whether he has the belly for it remains to be seen.

**smasher** · 04/12/2008, 2:08 PM

Attitude of people who follow Keane is to be expected, so we must be patient with them.
A person in whom they firmly believed has failed and its hard to take. It will take time for them to heal and when they do we should not say ' I told you so'. They will have reached the point of reality.
Eureka!!

**bennocelt** · 04/12/2008, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by elroy

He may have spent alot on not a whole lot, but i think he found it very hard to attract a high calibre of player to Sunderland and I doubt many managers would be able to attract the type of players needed to take Sunderland consistently to the next level.

- its called football management - look at the type of players that Redknapp attracted to Portsmouth - or the gems that A Wenger always unearths

**NeilMcD** · 04/12/2008, 2:17 PM

I blame the beard to be honest. I feel that was the real problem and the sooner someone gets to the heart of the matter I think it could be solved. Otherwise they will have a close shave with relegation this year and Gillet make take over next year.

**bennocelt** · 04/12/2008, 2:19 PM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

I'm with you Hibernian on this one. There are lots of people in Ireland and on this forum that want to see Keane fall flat on his face. Why?

1: WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.
2. He played for Man Utd and was a winner? Lots of Irish Liverpool fans unfortunately....
3. Irish people started to watch Sunderland once he became manager? Who gives a flying f***? It's not his fault the Irish are good at jumping on the bandwagon.
4. Dunphy wrote his book?
5. He's from Cork?
6. He had more money to spend at Sunderland than Mick? Why should that get your knickers in a twist anyway.

Smasher - i am one who is holding my hand up! (but he was to be unquestioned as a player!)

no probs with number 1, or 2, never supported Sunderland, actually like Dunphy despite all his rants, love Cork...................but do have a problem with number 6
Give a manager a shed load of money -70 million and you should expect much better - but its also the players he bought - about 90% of his buys were atrocious - Miller, Mcshane, Richardson, Reid, Chopra, etc etc

**HarpoJoyce** · 04/12/2008, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

The burning question is where will all the noveau SundIreland fans go now?

They are plumbing the depths at the moment.
This may help them get through the pain.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4mUmdR...eature=related

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

......... He could do worse than follow Tony Adam's example and go abroad and learn the ropes.

Scotland?

**Seano** · 04/12/2008, 2:30 PM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

I'm with you Hibernian on this one. There are lots of people in Ireland and on this forum that want to see Keane fall flat on his face. Why?

1: WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.
2. He played for Man Utd and was a winner? Lots of Irish Liverpool fans unfortunately....
3. Irish people started to watch Sunderland once he became manager? Who gives a flying f***? It's not his fault the Irish are good at jumping on the bandwagon.
4. Dunphy wrote his book?
5. He's from Cork?
6. He had more money to spend at Sunderland than Mick? Why should that get your knickers in a twist anyway.

WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.

Without Given, Mcateer , Robbie Keane and a few others, we would not have got their either, plus we had an amazing amount of luck in the home games against Portugal, where they ran us off the park for the first half hour and against the Dutch where Given brought down van Nistleroy and made it looked like he slipped. I agree Keane had a great qualifying tournanment, but he didn't get us there single handedly.

**osarusan** · 04/12/2008, 2:35 PM

Good luck Roy.

Sad to see any Irish manager go, but he wasn't doing a good enough job, particularly at improving team quality through signings. I think he made the right decision today.

Hopefully he will get a job at a lower level, and learn from some of the mistakes he has made at Sunderland, and maybe we'll see him at a higher level in the future.

I for one wish him well.

**Dr. Ogba** · 04/12/2008, 2:45 PM

i think Keane was right in Saipan in all fairness though...

**Cloggs** · 04/12/2008, 2:48 PM

did he bring sunderland as far as he could or do people think that he may well have turned things around if he had been given a little more time?he's spent an awful amount of money and doesn't really have all that much to show for it at the end of the day!

**Stuttgart88** · 04/12/2008, 2:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

i hear he's taking the Bulgaria job...

very good

**Pauro 76** · 04/12/2008, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I blame the beard to be honest. I feel that was the real problem and the sooner someone gets to the heart of the matter I think it could be solved. Otherwise they will have a close shave with relegation this year and Gillet make take over next year.

Maybe he could become manager of the Blades?

**paul_oshea** · 04/12/2008, 3:06 PM

he should have hung around till after christmas but im thinking he felt that they would get worse and didnt want to be fired at that time, rather than now saying he left of his own accord. He wont get back into management again or if he does he will find it very hard, but ill say it will be in a few more years.

**SkStu** · 04/12/2008, 3:13 PM

this is already in the world forum.

**SunnySweeney** · 04/12/2008, 3:24 PM

At face value, this seems a 'lame weak' move on RK's part.

I have been a *huge* admirer of Keane but this seems to be a case of quitting the moment things got difficult.

He had the budget, the players - he should be be man enough to try and ride this difficult situation out. If you're the big man - who cares what the press (Dunphy etc ) think - be a leader, knuckle down and prove the doubters wrong.

At least give it your best shot and go down knowing you've given it your all. If you don't have the support of the board of directors - hunker down, pull your socks up and make do with what you have.

I don't know the full story - it just seems very, very lame.

I'm so disappointed in Roy Keane today. I really thought he was the business.

"when the going gets rough, the tough get going"

- it appears RMK wasn't so tough after all.

**OwlsFan** · 04/12/2008, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by Pauro 76

Maybe he could become manager of the Blades?

Best suggestion all day. Not sure they have �80million to spend though, thank God, but it will still be great if he got them in debt

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Originally Posted by Gustavo

I moved it because precisely 0 of the 20 plus posts after your opening post, including another one from yourself

Not true. I referred to the Irish players there

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The Keane debate will always go back to the Saipan thing. I won't deny for a minute I hoped he'd fail at Sunderland. I used to travel around the world supporting Ireland with a friend of mine (we knew each other since we were about 10). He was in the Keane camp and refused to go to any more Irish games. I haven't seen him since the Iran game at Lansdowne. It runs that deep in the Irish psyche and nearly all the debate here about his managerial expertise is based on which camp the person was in back in 2002. The fact that he was supported by Dunphy makes it twice as bad. So I just couldn't get in to "he's a good manager/ worse/better manager than Mick" thing. It's just the same old stuff in another guise and do we really want to go there?

Mind you if he went to Wednesday: "Keano, there's only one Keano..."