Well said Bennocelt, a man whose wife and kids have all been born in ENgland just like McCarthy, it does not stand up to me and even if he did say it, I would not judge him on it as clearly he does not believe it and carry it out in his day to day life. Things can be said in the heat of a moment (by the way not saying he said it).
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your were a s**t playerOriginally Posted by bennocelt
no it wasn't - cause he never said THAT -
tabloids ahead of themselves
your a S**t manager your not even f***in' irish,for F***K's sake
exactly what he said...roll eye's away!!!!!!
These are not flaws, just downright thuggish behaviour. I have to laugh at all you guys trying to cover up these actions and explain them away as the acts of an imperfect person.
No. These are the actions of someone who can give it but cant take it. A person who when he cant live up to his supposed good name , decides that running away is easier than facing the challenge head on.
The foul on Haaland says it all.
That will be the enduring image.
It encapsulates the whole sorry saga.
Funny I thought we were discussing the merits or lack thereof of him as a manager not as a player
You may not like him , but I don't see why Saipan and Haaland have to be brought up in every discussion about him
Agree.
People cant just move on in this argument always going back to the same thing.
I have so much admiration for Keane as player.
As a Manager? Quite simply he was not good enough but I just hate this ranting on about something that is now well in the past.
Well said Gustavo. As Owlsfan said earlier in the thread-
I also think it is interesting that the same people who say "he's such a crap manager - look at all the money he has wasted, he's gonna relegate Sunderland" are now saying "if he was a real manager he'd stay and see it all through".
This doesn't make sense to me. I think Keane has come to realise he has made big mistakes, and is worried that if he continued, Sunderland would be relegated. So he has quit in order that Sunderland might turn things around under another, better manager.
Rather than simply walking away from a mess he has created, I think he hopes somebody better than him will be able to do what he has lost confidence in himself to do and sort the mess out.
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Yes he did go OTT in saipan but I think we need to move on from that discussion just what I think, but understand your point
a bit like "big Ron"...i didn't know the mike was on.
if i did i would not have said it!!!!
yeah that's not racist...as long as no one hears
Because they expose the weaknesses of Keane the person. Because they are part of a pattern of cowardice and weak mindedness that have peppered the public life of Roy Keane over the last decade and a half. The latest bottling act just confirms what Keane is. It's all relevant when discussing him as a manager.
fair enough...no bother hib
Feck - apologies for balls up there - Allardyce is one of the early favourites for the Sunderland job.
That said, some of Allardyce's dealings in the past have involved "seeing a man about a dog".
Quoting years at random since 1975
How many clubs (and their fans) would like to have Keane as their manager even after what has happened recently at Sunderland? I would bet lots despite what some ex-players (like Cascarino) are saying.
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I'd say any other club wanting to get into the oirish market will be mad after him
Roy Keane:
Great footballer
Questionable Manager
S**te Person
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
Would agree with that. I'd have him as Pats manager though
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Are you off your head. Haaland was trying to body check Keane thats why he lost it had a swipe.
Standing over an opponent and calling him a cheat as the player is obviously in agony is so cowardly it's not even funny.
Was Keane going to get up and fend for himself in that state I think not....
I wonder why Nigel Martyn ran straight over calling on the Physio??? Then you notice Beckham having words with Haaland.
Lets not forget that there is two sides to every story. Haaland was a master of the good fouls as I call them. Pulling jerseys, Clipping ankles, body checking opponents etc he had nothing else to offer a game cause he was crap otherwise.
I don't particularly like Roy Keane the manager too many opinions. But I loved Roy Keane the player. He did what no other player with his level of ability ever did and thats make it to the top on attitude and fight and determination because he never was a man who could beat three men and smack it in top cover did the simple things right.
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"Joe Jordan is off to watch Young Boys tomorrow" Ian Darke
Roy Maurice Keane: My True Story*
Stand up. Mirror. Staring. Can I do it? A moment...NO. I'm ready. Get the dog lead. Get the wallet. Focus.
"Will you be going to the shops or not then Roy?"
It's the wife. Hands me the shopping list. On a post-it. Yellow. Like a card. Not red. Going for the ball.
"I'm not going to those f****** amateurs in Tesco again," I tell her. "Do you think Felipe Scolari's doing his shopping pushing a trolley with a busted wheel?"
I'm angry now, running it back in my mind...last time, the trolley, the big stack of baked beans half price, the wobbly wheel, children crying, losing control. Beans.
I'm sitting on the floor in the hall. The wife's standing there. "Just get a pint of milk from the corner then, love, " she says.
I get up. She comes at me. I kiss her, hard. On the cheek. The cheek was there (I think). "Take that," I think to myself.
"Take what?" she asks. I go out of the house.
Corner shop. Corner. Defend it. Zonal. I TOLD YOU TO PICK HIM UP - THAT WAS YOUR MAN.
Milk. Milk. Focus on the milk.
"Morning Roy." It's Mr Patel.
"You're a f****** crap newsagent and you're a f****** crap person," I say.
"Okay," he says.
I turn and look for the milk. Stuff, money, bag. Walking again. Blind man. Dog. Stick. Can't he see? Why can't he see? Can't he see that was offside? What is he doing?
I'm in the kitchen. Wife's unpacking the shopping. She's not happy. Teacups?
No. Shaking head.
"What's all this stuff, Roy?"
I don't understand. Stare.
"Roy. I've asked you out for a pint of milk. You've come back with four packets of rubber gloves, a Sodastream - I didn't know they still made them - six biros, not one but two copies of New Scientist, a case of Doctor Pepper and 400 Silk Cut. You don't even smoke, Roy."
"No," I say.
"And how much have you spent? Turn out your pockets," she says.
Coins, notes, clank, receipt.
"Roy."
She's talking.
"Roy, you've spent 85 quid on rubbish. Absolute rubbish. What were you thinking? And where the hell's the milk?"
Focus. Got to focus. Keep looking straight ahead. Focus.
* Not with the ****** Dunphy
Are you off your head. Haaland was trying to body check Keane thats why he lost it had a swipe.
Standing over an opponent and calling him a cheat as the player is obviously in agony is so cowardly it's not even funny.
Was Keane going to get up and fend for himself in that state I think not....
I wonder why Nigel Martyn ran straight over calling on the Physio??? Then you notice Beckham having words with Haaland.
Lets not forget that there is two sides to every story. Haaland was a master of the good fouls as I call them. Pulling jerseys, Clipping ankles, body checking opponents etc he had nothing else to offer a game cause he was crap otherwise.
I don't particularly like Roy Keane the manager too many opinions. But I loved Roy Keane the player. He did what no other player with his level of ability ever did and thats make it to the top on attitude and fight and determination because he never was a man who could beat three men and smack it in top cover did the simple things right.
You are joking. Sweet mother of God.
Wasn't a body check at all, he was getting to the ball well ahead of Keane and barely touched him. Radebe had it covered anyway. Keane lashed out coz he had no hope of getting the ball.
Martyn saw the whole incident so knew that Keane was genuinely injured. Haaland just got a kick from behind, got up and saw the man that kicked him was rolling around. His instant, and very short reaction, was that Keane was staying down to avoid a booking. It's what most people would have assumed.
Take off the blinkers.
likewise
Are you off your head. Haaland was trying to body check Keane thats why he lost it had a swipe.
Standing over an opponent and calling him a cheat as the player is obviously in agony is so cowardly it's not even funny.
Was Keane going to get up and fend for himself in that state I think not....
I wonder why Nigel Martyn ran straight over calling on the Physio??? Then you notice Beckham having words with Haaland.
Lets not forget that there is two sides to every story. Haaland was a master of the good fouls as I call them. Pulling jerseys, Clipping ankles, body checking opponents etc he had nothing else to offer a game cause he was crap otherwise.
I don't particularly like Roy Keane the manager too many opinions. But I loved Roy Keane the player. He did what no other player with his level of ability ever did and thats make it to the top on attitude and fight and determination because he never was a man who could beat three men and smack it in top cover did the simple things right.
Quite possibly the biggest pile of tripe I've ever read on this forum. Haaland was jockeying a ball out of play same as what happens countless times in every game of football at every level every week. If an opponenet kicked out evertime that happened in a game you'd end up with 2 keepers left on the pitch after 90 minutes. If you consider that body checking you've led a very sheltered life.......
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