Liening tower: Pat's owner in property wobble

**BohDiddley** · 12/11/2008, 3:53 PM

Further to the unconfined joy at Bohs property difficulties earlier this week... this on Garret Kelleher's Chicago adventures: http://overseascafe.blogspot.com/200...struction.html

and this: http://archrecord.construction.com/n...106chicago.asp

How sound is he in Dublin?

**placid casual** · 12/11/2008, 4:01 PM

Nice try...
Pats may have a "property developer " in their midst but he's not likely to financially rape the club he's involved in anytime soon.
Youse on the other hand.....

ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!

**Dodge** · 12/11/2008, 4:02 PM

Stuff is a few weeks old. If you read the articles, its standard business/construction guff. He sold the top two floors last month for $40 million. Still think he's in trouble?

As Pats fans are tired telling the doom merchants. We're absolutely nothing on the scale of Kelleher's money. He's also put up an 8 figure bond for the club. If he pulls out tomorrow. We're still OK for the next couple of years...

**BohDiddley** · 12/11/2008, 4:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

He sold the top two floors last month for $40 million.

Architectural Record says he shifted a penthouse for $40m all right, but that only 30% of apartments are sold, and construction has stopped.

**BohDiddley** · 12/11/2008, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by placid casual

Nice try...
Pats may have a "property developer " in their midst but he's not likely to financially rape the club he's involved in anytime soon.
Youse on the other hand.....

ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!

And 'youse'?

**pineapple stu** · 12/11/2008, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

He's also put up an 8 figure bond for the club.

What does that mean exactly?

**HarpoJoyce** · 12/11/2008, 4:26 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

What does that mean exactly?

Obviously.

54321, Double-O 7. Keep Up!

**Dodge** · 12/11/2008, 4:28 PM

He's lodged a figure with bank to cover losses up to that amount (or at least one of his companies has)

**pineapple stu** · 12/11/2008, 4:30 PM

So at the moment according to your accounts, you owe his company E2m. If he pulls out, he's not entitled to that back? (Or has to pay it himself or some such)

What if (that great question!) the club rack up losses of E11m? Does he cover E10m and you get stuck with the E1m?

**Dodge** · 12/11/2008, 4:32 PM

Presumably.

If we get to that stage, I'd imagine he wouldn't be happy about putting more in.

The company records stated that they envisage a loss for the next 2/3 years

**pineapple stu** · 12/11/2008, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

If we get to that stage, I'd imagine he wouldn't be happy about putting more in.

My thoughts too. Suppose the main thing is how hard it hits you when he leaves (as I assume he will some time). If he covers everything, you get a soft landing, get rid of all your players and go back part time. If he doesn't cover everything, you end up owing, say, Revenue half a mill with no way of paying it back.

Does the bond work that, if he pulls out, he has to pay all the club's debts at that stage, including the interco account, to a max of E10m, and you start off 100% debt free again (assuming debts were less than E10m)? (Obviously not sure if you even know about it in this much detail)

**BohDiddley** · 12/11/2008, 4:40 PM

Why has this been moved from the main forum? Are people only interested in Bohs finances?

**Dodge** · 12/11/2008, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Why has this been moved from the main forum? Are people only interested in Bohs finances?

Presumably its because the original post just mentions something that may/may not effect pats where as the Bohs deal definitely effects the whole league

**Dodge** · 12/11/2008, 4:45 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

(Obviously not sure if you even know about it in this much detail)

I don't.

**BohDiddley** · 12/11/2008, 4:56 PM

Nothing wrong with 'youse', except I wouldn't write it unless I was scriptwriting Fairy City or entering a Dubiness contest. (Are Dubs the only ones who say that, btw? I'd say not.)

Hope that's ok with you and your friend who, strangely, thinks clubs losing out in property shenanigans is a source of great hilarity.

**Dodge** · 12/11/2008, 5:06 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Hope that's ok with you and your friend who, strangely, thinks clubs losing out in property shenanigans is a source of great hilarity.

Still on that high horse? And bohs didn't lose out in "property shenanigans", they caused "property shenanigans"

**BohDiddley** · 12/11/2008, 5:11 PM

What high horse?

**Dodge** · 12/11/2008, 5:14 PM

The high horse where you look down on fans of other clubs laughing at Bohs' troubles

**BohDiddley** · 12/11/2008, 5:32 PM

Looking down?
Do you feel that way because your sneering glee at Bohs issues wasn't universally appreciated, and now things aren't as rosy in Kelleherville as might have been presumed? If that's the case, you're easily looked down on.

**Dodge** · 12/11/2008, 5:46 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Do you feel that way because your sneering glee at Bohs issues wasn't universally appreciated, and now things aren't as rosy in Kelleherville as might have been presumed?

I said looking down because I was talking about your point of view. I don't give a fiddlers how many Bohs fans are annoyed that I think their plight is hilarious, and the Kelleher thing isn't news.