derry & Cliftonville

[lopez]

Originally posted by TommyT
Actually I saw a couple of threads a while ago about Linfield fans complaining about Coleraine's sectarian chanting.

Stop it Tommy! I'm splitting my sides here at this. The only thing I can think of is that the Derry City boys have forsaken the EL and have infilitrated Coleraine with a few DJ Chucky anthems. I can't believe that Linfield fans have complained about 'sectarian chanting' at Coleraine. This is a wind up? No? Please? Bannsideboy?

[BannsideBoy]

Coleraine like most clubs in Northern Ireland have their share of 'bigot' fans, but the club has been doing alot to make sure that the club reaches both communities in the area; however there is a strong stereotype that Coleraine and therefore the club is Unionist. In 1996 when I began going to matches seriously I can recall a few renditions of the sash when playing the likes of Cliftonville, when the crowd may have been swelled by the 'windy hall' billy boys, but against teams like Omagh when there was a smaller crowd ( the true supporters ) there was no sectarian singing, make your own conclusions from that.

These days I hear very little sectarian songs, any that are started fizzle out before the second line. It’s a more family atmosphere than that of the mid nineties.

If plans to make the 'shed' end seated it will help too

As for the charge of sectarian singing by linfield, I have to agree that that is the pot calling the kettle black.

So to summarize, all Coleraine fans are not saints, but show me any club's whose are.

[lopez]

Originally posted by BannsideBoy
In 1996 when I began going to matches seriously I can recall a few renditions of the sash when playing the likes of Cliftonville...

Ahh we can't call that a sectarian song. Me and a couple of North London boys were singing that leaving Fulham during the summer after Celtic had played there. Didn't seem to offend anyone, although Sylvo seemed to be telling all and sundry that he didn't know us...'It was old but it was beautiful and the colours they are fine...'

[sylvo]

Hey I were'nt gonna run the risk of getting a doing from all those mad looking teenager's who were walking behind us, you know the one's behind us who had the Barry McGuigan tash's waving flag's who were hanging out with senorita's with the pigtail's, hoss you and Art were on yer own there.

[TommyT]

Originally posted by BannsideBoy
So to summarize, all Coleraine fans are not saints, but show me any club's whose are.

Eh Southampton ?

Eh, I'll get me coat.....

[BannsideBoy]

yeah but they are all just big (st) mary's





( mine was worse )

[lopez]

Originally posted by sylvo
Hey I were'nt gonna run the risk of getting a doing from all those mad looking teenager's who were walking behind us, you know the one's behind us who had the Barry McGuigan tash's waving flag's who were hanging out with senorita's with the pigtail's, hoss you and Art were on yer own there.

Art was a bit b*llocksed which might explain why a good Ulsterman like him would come out with a song like that at the end of a Celtic match. But he did seem to know all the words.

Originally posted by davros
The Only point of contention re. BB's mob was that,as DG's bro'(Top chap for regulation puppet-stater!),was that he confirmed the presence of a 'Coleraine' *******ised red hand flag,in the'Hun'end in Kashima,........but as he said'What else'd ye expect?'........Sad Fecks......a higher power will rescue them..........!

Good luck v.d'Tans.........

Can DG's bro. shine any light on where el gordo has gone for the last few days?

As for flag's with Coleraine on, s'pose no chance that you were there above the goal in Stuttgart 88, Bannside?

[lopez]

Originally posted by davros
Can confirm DG,'alive & well(!)'.....accepting beers from anyone who'd buy one,after borrowing money from me....have attempted to use modern technology to contact......

Didn't know IFA,about IL teams,but rambling incoherantly about Depeche Mode & Estonia.........

I've sneeked a peek on ourweeminds (hopefully I was quick enough that Inspector Knacker and the boys from operation ore didn't see me) and his last post was - I kid you not - asking where was the best place for a nosebag in Tallin. Looks like he's not going to answer any of my more tricky questions (just like research girl) which to be honest is an answer in itself.

[BannsideBoy]

Originally posted by lopez
Art was a bit b*llocksed which might explain why a good Ulsterman like him would come out with a song like that at the end of a Celtic match. But he did seem to know all the words.

Can DG's bro. shine any light on where el gordo has gone for the last few days?

As for flag's with Coleraine on, s'pose no chance that you were there above the goal in Stuttgart 88, Bannside?

sorry i was 8 at the time

[BannsideBoy]

Well after the battle of the marshes, hopefully coleraine can show their better class and finish off Newry, the way they should have on sat, at the showgrounds on tuesday.

Then the winner will play limavady, so I would hope, if Coleraine got through on tuesday, they could see off Limavady.

As for the other semi, i can't see Omagh beating the Glens.

So i would make it another Glens vs Coleraine final on the first of May.

Similar result would do me fine

[lopez]

Bannsideboy: Did you get 442 this week. Interesting article from five IL Belfast based fans. All seemed interested in forming (re-forming?) an all-Ireland league. As this subject would interest all of us on this forum (except barstoolers), what's your two cents?

[Duncan Gardner]

Interesting article. One of the five guys interviewed ('Duncer' on OWC) makes clear there that he's only interested with a few obvious qualifications- like keeping a separate IFA, European places etc. So, in other words, IL fans are really only interested in a limited cup competition. As discussed here repeatedly.

[BannsideBoy]

On Davros point, the winner of the Irish cup reaches the second preliminary uefa cup round, and Coleraine recorded a home victory against Liera of Portugal, unfortunately losing the away leg.

I haven’t yet purchased 442 but I am aware of the article.

As for an all Ireland league, I have a few concerns.

1.
The cost of travel, several of the teams in both leagues would find it hard to take a team never mind a support to games. Large sponsorship would have to come into the game.

2.
The basic fact of trouble, the stigma of northern clubs versus southern clubs would obviously bring out unsavoury characters from both leagues.

3.
Would it jeopardise the two national teams, if fifa saw a united domestic league then there would be a push to have a unified national Irish team.

4.
The simple fact that the two leagues have a different calendar, the eircom teams would have to revert back to winter football as summer football in the north would not be viable with the parades and disturbances that perennially appear around June and July.

However Ideally I would love to see it happen, if these problems could be resolved, I can only see it being a good thing for the teams involved. I would like to see a cup competition first the test the water, and then the look at a small top club league, then if that is a success a well sponsored league. I would love a weekend trip to follow coleraine on cork.

[lopez]

Originally posted by BannsideBoy
The simple fact that the two leagues have a different calendar, the eircom teams would have to revert back to winter football as summer football in the north would not be viable with the parades and disturbances that perennially appear around June and July.

Might even serve as an alternative to the parades in entertainment for the less religious amongst the marchers. Good for bringing money into the game too, no?

Good points made. Initially the competition known as the Tyler All-Ireland cup which was last played before you were born should be revived, which leaves aside the argument that this is all unprecedented. Friendlies have been played for years between both league's clubs so there should be only marginal 'hooligan' problems, although the 'hangers-on' might come back if the competition becomes high profile. Anyway, there's worse in Northern Europe at the moment when clubs play pre-season friendlies.

[BannsideBoy]

Originally posted by lopez
Might even serve as an alternative to the parades in entertainment for the less religious amongst the marchers. Good for bringing money into the game too, no?

I agree it would take people away from the marches, but what i was refering to was that the booking of buses and travel restrictions would be the major factor.

I for one would love to see summer football for coleraine, sitting in the sun in july watching coleraine at home to st Pats would be great, peeps could make a week of it and stay in portrush and the winner of the game could get a free go on Barry's big dipper

Like i say I'm all for it so long as its properly thought out.

[BannsideBoy]

1.Bohemians
2.Cork City
3.Glentoran
4.Linfield
5.Portadown
6.Derry City
7.St Pats
8.Shelbourne
9.Shamrock rovers
10.Drogeda
11.Coleraine
12.Longford
13.Waterford
14.Ballymena Utd
15.Dundalk
16.Lisburn

Give or take a few, this would be a great league, good supports for most teams.

[Duncan Gardner]

Well, anyone without a social club can go for a start...

[lopez]

Originally posted by BannsideBoy
1.Bohemians
2.Cork City
3.Glentoran
4.Linfield
5.Portadown
6.Derry City
7.St Pats
8.Shelbourne
9.Shamrock rovers
10.Drogeda
11.Coleraine
12.Longford
13.Waterford
14.Ballymena Utd
15.Dundalk
16.Lisburn

Give or take a few, this would be a great league, good supports for most teams.

That does look an impressive league (Lisburn being Glenavon I think). Still Uefa would probably put the boot in on such a league even though it would probably increase standards north and south as it includes two football 'nations'. Don't think they'd stop an all-Ireland competition unless it 'detracts from our product the Champions League (Registered Trademark) and their sponsors.'

Got an idea re the marching season. How about having the marches up and down the pitch as pre-match cultural 'entertainment' instead of sending them through neighbourhoods where the residents aren't too welcoming. Police would be pleased too as all the nutters will be in one place.

[BannsideBoy]

[Duncan Gardner]

Originally posted by lopez
That does look an impressive league (Lisburn being Glenavon I think).

Glenavon play in Lurgan old boy. Perhaps you should follow your pal Research Girl's example?

Thanks again for the shirt. Perhaps I was a little curt before. As you suggest, I think it will look nice in the DM bar