Bohs Court Case

**bigmac** · 10/11/2008, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by galwayhoop

are you about 6 or what....

Where's that ignore button

We won't know unless Dalymount is auctioned off now, will we.

**CuanaD** · 10/11/2008, 1:24 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Given that Albion have already paid money to Bohs as per their contract on what basis were Bohs looking to have that contract cancelled? From what I have read Albion have not breached their contract.

I think I know the answer to this - There was no signed contract - only a series of proposals & verbal agreements in principal. Albion were paying money on the assumption that a deal would be finallised eventually.

**CuanaD** · 10/11/2008, 1:37 PM

As for the worth of Dayler - it was worth 65M at the time of the deal - at the moment it would still be worth over 40M & I'd expect that value to bounce back up to 50M quite soon after the property market stabilises.

As for that - the property market has just been through a 6-months of nothing - basically no sales, but it is now coming out the other end - sales have just resumed (in the last 3 weeks!) at both ends of the scale - ie I know of a <3M house closing and numerous >500k closing in the past weeks (none of which were moving 3 months ago). There will be another 3-4 weeks of quiet movement before Xmas & sales should resume reasonably in late Feb. (Ive been through a few of these property booms & busts & they all follow a fairly predictable pattern). Expect prices to increase in 2009 by 4%+ (could be up to 6% I think)

**Dodge** · 10/11/2008, 1:43 PM

Originally Posted by CuanaD

As for the worth of Dayler - it was worth 65M at the time of the deal - at the moment it would still be worth over 40M & I'd expect that value to bounce back up to 50M quite soon after the property market stabilises.

1) The Danninger deal was for €40m plus a stadium in harristown.

2) The same deal won't be offered to anyone else as a significant portion of it isn't Bohs to sell. The access factor cannot be underestimated

The rest of your financial outlook is wildly optimistic

**OneRedArmy** · 10/11/2008, 1:57 PM

Originally Posted by CuanaD

As for the worth of Dayler - it was worth 65M at the time of the deal - at the moment it would still be worth over 40M & I'd expect that value to bounce back up to 50M quite soon after the property market stabilises.

As for that - the property market has just been through a 6-months of nothing - basically no sales, but it is now coming out the other end - sales have just resumed (in the last 3 weeks!) at both ends of the scale - ie I know of a <3M house closing and numerous >500k closing in the past weeks (none of which were moving 3 months ago). There will be another 3-4 weeks of quiet movement before Xmas & sales should resume reasonably in late Feb. (Ive been through a few of these property booms & busts & they all follow a fairly predictable pattern). Expect prices to increase in 2009 by 4%+ (could be up to 6% I think)

Are you Tom Parlon by any chance?

This post is hilarious.

**pete** · 10/11/2008, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by CuanaD

As for the worth of Dayler - it was worth 65M at the time of the deal - at the moment it would still be worth over 40M & I'd expect that value to bounce back up to 50M quite soon after the property market stabilises.

Without planning permission Dalymount is not worth a fraction of those numbers. Carroll was speculating that site would be rezoned in 2011.

Originally Posted by CuanaD

As for that - the property market has just been through a 6-months of nothing - basically no sales, but it is now coming out the other end - sales have just resumed (in the last 3 weeks!) at both ends of the scale - ie I know of a <3M house closing and numerous >500k closing in the past weeks (none of which were moving 3 months ago). There will be another 3-4 weeks of quiet movement before Xmas & sales should resume reasonably in late Feb. (Ive been through a few of these property booms & busts & they all follow a fairly predictable pattern). Expect prices to increase in 2009 by 4%+ (could be up to 6% I think)

I am still waiting for the soft landing but those numbers far too optimistic. Unemployment is increasing quickly so hard to see house prices rising while that continues & over supply not cleared.

**charliesboots** · 10/11/2008, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Without planning permission Dalymount is not worth a fraction of those numbers. Carroll was speculating that site would be rezoned in 2011.

I am still waiting for the soft landing but those numbers far too optimistic. Unemployment is increasing quickly so hard to see house prices rising while that continues & over supply not cleared.

Off topic - Wait for the massacre of people in retail and service industry after Christmas and then we'll start talking about recovery.

On Topic - Dalymount without the Connaught Street access and with the economic downturn is worth an enormous amount less than what it was when the deal was done with Carroll.

**Kingdom** · 10/11/2008, 3:39 PM

While this is very off topic (and I'm sorry for that

) is there any chance Dalyer could be redeveloped in its current state. An all seater 7/8k stadium?

**Dodge** · 10/11/2008, 3:40 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

While this is very off topic (and I'm sorry for that

) is there any chance Dalyer could be redeveloped in its current state. An all seater 7/8k stadium?

If someone was willing to pay for it...

**pete** · 10/11/2008, 3:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

While this is very off topic (and I'm sorry for that

) is there any chance Dalyer could be redeveloped in its current state. An all seater 7/8k stadium?

Shels could lump in their 1.5m & pay for 1000 seats

Might be an opportunity for the FAI to pursue a 2 stadium Dublin policy by getting Shels in to share/rent. Doubt Bohs have given up on selling stadium yet though.

**BohDiddley** · 10/11/2008, 3:53 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Shels could lump in their 1.5m & pay for 1000 seats

Might be an opportunity for the FAI to pursue a 2 stadium Dublin policy by getting Shels in to share/rent. Doubt Bohs have given up on selling stadium yet though.

You may remember that wheeze was tried a few years back and met with near-total opposition (though it was a neat dummy in advance of the real deal to sell Dalymount). Even in the wake of the court case, why Bohs should see themselves as equals to them in property terms is anyone's guess.

As a southside team, it would make much more sense to have them share Tallaght.

**Kingdom** · 10/11/2008, 5:00 PM

Thaniks for the replies men. I've always liked Dalymount, and while I completely understand why Bohs were/are keen to cash in on Dalyer, I always thought it to be perfect for a small scale fully seated stadium. A good LoI stadium I suppose. I know you're probably pulling the p!ss Pete, but the more decent stadiums in the league the better I would have thought.
Again completely O.T

**Dodge** · 10/11/2008, 5:05 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

As a southside team, it would make much more sense to have them share Tallaght.

They're more city centre than Southside. Dalymount is far closer to Rngsend than Tallaght

**bohs til i die** · 10/11/2008, 5:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

1) The Danninger deal was for €40m plus a stadium in harristown.

2) The same deal won't be offered to anyone else as a significant portion of it isn't Bohs to sell. The access factor cannot be underestimated

The rest of your financial outlook is wildly optimistic

The original deal for the ground was worth €58.5 Million

This involved €25 million stadium in Harristown
The balance in cash, paid in stages over the initial 5 years and the rest upon our leaving Dalymount

There is also penalty clauses if Liam Carroll's side of the agreement isnt kept such as if his company causes a delay in us leaving Dalymount.

**Dodge** · 10/11/2008, 5:34 PM

Thanks for clarifying that

**BohDiddley** · 10/11/2008, 6:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

They're more city centre than Southside. Dalymount is far closer to Rngsend than Tallaght

Last I checked, Ringsend was emphatically south Dublin. Southside is southside. What's it to you anyway? Worried about your option on the municipal stadium?

**hoops1** · 10/11/2008, 8:36 PM

Why do the bohs board treat their fans like arseholes?
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**bohs til i die** · 10/11/2008, 8:40 PM

Originally Posted by hoops1

Why do the bohs board treat their fans like arseholes?
http://www.photoshopshowcase.com/Vie...ID=181913&AT=3

The fancy dress idea was mooted months ago. It was a bit of fun. Regardless of how people dressed on saturday it wouldnt have changed a thing and I really do think some of you fools ought to get a sense of humour.