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    Quote Originally Posted by Longfordian View Post
    How much would Dalymount be worth without the shopping centre end and the access it provides is the question.
    Without that access its worth a hell of a lot less. Actually since they wouldn't have that a lot of people wouldn't be interested. I think bohs will have to come to some pre arranagement with who ever owns its which could cost them a fortune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite View Post
    Without that access its worth a hell of a lot less. Actually since they wouldn't have that a lot of people wouldn't be interested. I think bohs will have to come to some pre arranagement with who ever owns its which could cost them a fortune.
    Thats what they tried to do, and Albion stood their ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieB
    They can share with Rovers, it would be like the perfect odd couple. One could make a show about it.
    They wouldn't be able to find Tallaght, yet alone play there.

    It's somewhere south of Cabra.
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    A lot on here seem to know the intimate details of Bohs' finances so I'd like to hear from one or more of you exactly what the actual judgement was that was handed down today?
    - How is that interpereted?
    - Did Albion actually pay a penny for the land behind the tramway end - if so how much. If not how much is due to Bohs?
    - Have Costs been awared either way today?
    - How many million euro drops Carroll has actually given Bohs to date (if any)?
    - What this in reality means to the original deal?
    - The valuation impact with regard to the slow down but also considering that the recent council planning zoned Phibsboro as ok for high rise development (something that wasnt in effect at the time of the original deal),
    - And why is access an issue (as per a previous poster) considering that there would be ample access from the other end of the ground.
    - And why are some of you saying they bought the league considering they aparently didnt have anywhere near the top budget in the Premier Division - someone elsewhere said 4th or 5th.

    Curious to see what this actually means to Bohs and the league in general

    Anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McShels View Post
    Shels didnt go to the wall, despite the wishes of a lot of posters from clubs around the country who have suffered their own financial problems this year!!!!!!!

    Bottom line Shels are still here and hopefully back in the Premier next season
    ok i was trying to make a point with a short post, so seen as you need to have specifics and exacts on this site....

    2006 champions... shels... spent/borrowed money they didn't have, ran up debts to all and sundry... got relegated by the league... lost all their players

    2007 champions... drogs...spent money they didn't have, ran up debts to all and sundry... entered examinership... probably lose all their players

    2008 champions... bohs...spent money they didn't have, could potentially be facing debts of €6m, could lose their ground... probably lose all their players

    now that we have a more indepth run down is it any less embarrassing??

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMcC View Post
    A lot on here seem to know the intimate details of Bohs' finances so I'd like to hear from one or more of you exactly what the actual judgement was that was handed down today?
    Its 130 pages long. My friend was in court and picked out some titbits for me.

    - How is that interpereted?
    Bohs were very unhappy with the decision

    - Did Albion actually pay a penny for the land behind the tramway end - if so how much. If not how much is due to Bohs?
    Albion have paid over €1 million to Bohs so far


    - Have Costs been awared either way today?
    No. Deferred to later date.

    - How many million euro drops Carroll has actually given Bohs to date (if any)?
    - What this in reality means to the original deal?
    The original deal is dead, as the details have been altered. Bohs can't sell the same thing twice.


    - And why is access an issue (as per a previous poster) considering that there would be ample access from the other end of the ground.
    There is not ample access from the other end of the ground

    - And why are some of you saying they bought the league considering they aparently didnt have anywhere near the top budget in the Premier Division - someone elsewhere said 4th or 5th.
    Bohs had easily one of the top budgets in the league. No one knows the figures of all clubs but common sense would tell you that only Cork, Drogheda or Pats could claim the top spot form Bohs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMcC View Post
    - The valuation impact with regard to the slow down but also considering that the recent council planning zoned Phibsboro as ok for high rise development (something that wasnt in effect at the time of the original deal),

    the area could be zoned for building up to the moon but the land in reality is, in the current environment worth €0 on the open market. harsh but true.

    perhaps it could have a paper value of somewhere between €10 - €15 million but the reality is that there are no purchasers/developers/speculators out there at the moment and even if they were there is no bank that would fund them.

    even if a bank did fund them they would not fund the construction costs and hypothetically lets say there was a bank that funded both of these (land purchase and development) any potential purchasers would not get the funding they needed to buy the apartments or open up their businesses - therefore the developer (if there was one) would not take the chance.

    in short as a development venture the site has no real value, in real terms, in todays market.

    the lands only value is in it's current use.

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    Look Dfx where would the craic be without them . I cant think of any rhyme for
    in Harristown/abbotstown farm! Maybe they could sell to Mick Wallace as well
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    ground share with Wexford .Would enjoy the odd weekend in Courtown

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    is there any way bohs can buy albion out of their deal and keep to the terms agreed with carroll.

    of course that assumes bohs being able to raise the millions required to do this

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    Quote Originally Posted by ofjames View Post
    is there any way bohs can buy albion out of their deal and keep to the terms agreed with carroll.

    of course that assumes bohs being able to raise the millions required to do this
    Bohs tried, and Albion rejected.
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    it's not uncommon for people who hold access like what albion do getting pretty close to what the whole site is actually worth. Access is worth a lot of money.
    Last edited by jinxy lilywhite; 07/11/2008 at 3:55 PM. Reason: bad grammar
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite View Post
    it's not uncommon for people who hold access like what albion do getting pretty close to what the whole site is actually worth. Access is worth a lot of money.
    USED to be worth money.

    Nothing is worth any money anymore (comparatively )

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    Quote Originally Posted by galwayhoop View Post
    perhaps it could have a paper value of somewhere between €10 - €15 million but the reality is that there are no purchasers/developers/speculators out there at the moment and even if they were there is no bank that would fund them.
    Disagree - if you're talking of a figure that low compared to the original €65 estimate, then there are plenty of people out there who'd pay that for the site. Even to sit on for 10 years, there are a lot of people who'd view it as a more stable investment than most in the current climate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmac View Post
    Disagree - if you're talking of a figure that low compared to the original €65 estimate, then there are plenty of people out there who'd pay that for the site. Even to sit on for 10 years, there are a lot of people who'd view it as a more stable investment than most in the current climate.
    Who?

    Where are these people going to get the money?

    None of the current Irish developers paid more than a nominal amount of each development with their own money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    They wouldn't be able to find Tallaght, yet alone play there.

    It's somewhere south of Cabra.
    iirc - it's somewhere in North Wicklow
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    Quote Originally Posted by galwayhoop View Post
    ok i was trying to make a point with a short post, so seen as you need to have specifics and exacts on this site....

    2006 champions... shels... spent/borrowed money they didn't have, ran up debts to all and sundry... got relegated by the league... lost all their players

    2007 champions... drogs...spent money they didn't have, ran up debts to all and sundry... entered examinership... probably lose all their players

    2008 champions... bohs...spent money they didn't have, could potentially be facing debts of €6m, could lose their ground... probably lose all their players

    now that we have a more indepth run down is it any less embarrassing??
    I didnt ask for specifics, I was just correcting what you stated that Shels went to the wall which was crap!!!!

    I know what happened to Shels and we got what was coming to us,simple as.

    My problem with it and always will be is the absolute delight some "fans" from a lot of clubs "danced on our grave". But we are now (hopefully) going to return to the premier league and begin to build our way back to the top of the LOI tree

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    lads, take a look at the following link

    http://www.dublincity.ie/SiteCollect...Pg%2082-85.pdf

    it is taken from the council's Local Area Plan for Phibsborough and displays images of the development they envisage (and which they presumably only will grant permission for) in phibsborough village.

    as you will see, the plan they have is to knock the shopping centre and create a public plaza that stretches from the main road right through what is now dalymount turf all the way through to the school end.

    surely if this is the development that will take place on these sites in the future, it renders the issue of access to the land bohs own far less relevant to the value of their plot?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by McShels View Post
    My problem with it and always will be is the absolute delight some "fans" from a lot of clubs "danced on our grave".
    Hello there! I laughed when you went tits up. Still do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Réiteoir View Post
    iirc - it's somewhere in North Wicklow
    Worst comeback ever. particularly with todays news
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    What a truly revolting spectacle.

    An eL club loses a critical case against a property developer and the verdict is greeted with unbridled joy and the usual half-baked, ill-informed gloating from the boards' rabble of self-appointed football finance gurus. Ugly.

    If anyone thinks this is good for the league, then you are as misguided as the people who put Bohemian FC in this position.

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