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    FIX!!!!!

    Rumours in Richmond last night (duirt bean liom go nduirt bean lei admittedly) were that a couple of Pat's players may have gone the same route as the fans and bet against the team because they knew there were players missing, that the Cup semi was the main focus and that the other teams were fighting to avoid relegation. Could well believe that alright. in that case, it's just stupid, not malicious, which is a big difference obviously.

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    I got Mons at 7.2 on betfair last night. Easy money I agree with Stu above I feel a case of stupidity more than an attempt at throwing the actual game. If any of the allegations prove remotely true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    FIX!!!!!

    Rumours in Richmond last night (duirt bean liom go nduirt bean lei admittedly) were that a couple of Pat's players may have gone the same route as the fans and bet against the team because they knew there were players missing, that the Cup semi was the main focus and that the other teams were fighting to avoid relegation. Could well believe that alright. in that case, it's just stupid, not malicious, which is a big difference obviously.
    Disagree. Players betting against there own side, regardless of the sport, is regularly considered a lifetime ban offence because it gets right into the heart of what sport is all about.

    Don't want to come over all "Corinthian spirit", ""jumpers for goalposts" etc. but its a very slippy slope.

    Also heard rumours last night that the players had already been identified, but pure hearsay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackholesun View Post
    This is a shocking allegation against Pats and the league.

    But, if found out to be true I think they should be relegated as punishment. Also any players caught should be given really long bans, at least a season each.

    Zero tolerance required by the FAI on this one as the whole credibility of the league is at stake!

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    Nonsense. The players in question should be given a lifetime ban if the allegations are found to be true, but the club itself has done no wrong

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    08/11/2008 [17:18]
    STATEMENT FROM ST PATRICK'S ATHLETIC

    St Patrick's Athletic FC is continuing to address the concerns around allegations about some of its players betting on matches in the Eircom Premier League.

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    Any word on who the suspended player is?

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    Loads. Ridiculous to mention names and tarnish the innocent ones though
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    Disagree. Players betting against there own side, regardless of the sport, is regularly considered a lifetime ban offence because it gets right into the heart of what sport is all about.
    Agree, but I'm saying there is a difference between that and throwing a game, which is malicious, as opposed to stupid.

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    Idiot.

    He must have been tempted by the club advertiser in his face every day.
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    Moron

    Ban him from the game for life

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    Fair play to him for having the balls to come out and admit it. Dosnt make it right though. Hefty ban on the way methinks

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    Don't see too much wrong with it(assuming Dempsey was definitely going to be out for the game? If there was a chance he could have been selected then give him big punishment).
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    Quote Originally Posted by sligoman View Post
    Don't see too much wrong with it(assuming Dempsey was definitely going to be out for the game? If there was a chance he could have been selected then give him big punishment).
    I'd agree, pretty much, though I wouldn't be concerned by a light punishment if it's the latter possibility.

    Is this definitely all there is to this story? This one guy, who didn't even play in the game, placing a ****ing €20 bet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jebus View Post
    Moron

    Ban him from the game for life
    For the sake of 20 quid in a game he didn't play in. It's a stupid thing to do, but a lifetime ban??!!

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    Not the smartest thing to do. At least he came out and admitted it (maybe taking the heat of others or bigger problem?) I'd say about a 10 game ban seeing as he wasn't involved in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passinginterest View Post
    Not the smartest thing to do. At least he came out and admitted it (maybe taking the heat of others or bigger problem?) I'd say about a 10 game ban seeing as he wasn't involved in the game.
    Sounds about fair to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    Don't know anything about the games/players in question, but do know a wee bit about betting. Basically there are two types of scam.

    The first is where a connected person has inside information which indicates a certain result and so backs its.
    Obvious examples where Team A has injury problems, rows in the dressing room, a manager who's "lost it", or a deliberately weakend team is to be picked e.g to save the players for a more important game.
    Their opponents, Team B, might not be up to much, but if they are giving 100% against weakened/non-trying opposition, then they (Team B) will have attract generous odds to win. And crucially, if the connected person is in a position to influence the result further i.e. is a player or manager of Team A, so much the better.

    But that is not quite the same as a fixed result i.e. where Team A should beat Team B comfortably, and so match fixers arrange for Team A to lose. In such circumstances, it is actually very rare for the players to be the key - whether bribed to throw the game, or betting on themselves to do so.
    This is because you can't rely on two or three players to produce an upset, e.g. giving away or missing penalties, or a keeper letting in soft goals etc, because if their teammates are giving 100%, then the activities of the dodgy players will be so blatant as to attract attention. Moreover, they can't guarantee they won't be subbed if they are playing badly, or sent off if fouling etc.
    And bribing several players from a team might cost more than you win, as well as greatly increasing the chances of it leaking out, or one of the players approached reporting it to the authorities.
    In which case, the key to match fixing is actually to get to the Referee - as has been seen even in the big leagues, such as Germany and Italy - or conceivably Team A's keeper.

    But even then, fixing a match result (W, L or D) to upset the odds is too crude these days. It is much easier to arrange, and less likely to be noticed, a spread bet on the score.
    For example, Team A is rated to beat Team B by 2.5 goals (effectively three). You will get decent odds on Team A only to win by 1.5 or less (effectively by a single goal, or even draw or lose). Therefore, if you can get to the Referee/Keeper - then you greatly enhance your chances.
    So that if e.g. Team A goes ahead after 30 mins, the Ref/keeper doesn't need to cheat. If Team A then get a second goal, the Ref/Keeper still only has to award/concede a penalty, the score is now 2-1 and the bet is a winner again.
    If that's how the match finishes, then nobody really notices - Team A just made harder work of it than normal.
    Of course, if Team A gets a late 3rd goal, then the Ref/Keeper has to work extra hard to concede a second goal, but even if he does, people will just put it down to an "off-day" i.e. their suspicions won't be aroused, since Team A still won 3-2.
    Of course, if Team A has a blinder and score half a dozen unstoppable goals, then the Ref or Keeper just accepts he cannot be seen to "throw" five dodgy decisions/own goals etc and the bet loses.
    The fixers behind it know you can't win them all, but there'll always be another game and another opportunity.

    Anyhow, from the speculation so far, if there is anything in the rumours, it is almost certainly an example of the first type of scam (imo).

    (Still stinks, mind, with anyone caught and proven deserving a life ban from the game imo)
    That isn't knowing about betting that is knowing about scamming

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