St Pats vs Cork City

[BulmersKid]

Sorry for asking this question but does that mean they will get a liscence from UEFA?

Is being permitted to play in Europe by your national association and getting a UEFA liscense the same thing?

UEFA seem to be very strict on the issue as CSKA Sofia were banned from Europe, and would be very surprised if the FAI challenged UEFA's rules.

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/cl...id=791258.html

If you read though the licensing manual, there doen not seem to mention anything about a 3 year ban from competitions.

It is up to the local association to issue the Licenes for the coming season, and Uefa do spots checks, and at the moment seem very happy with the Licenses are issued.

They are very strict on fincial issues. But no one seems to know what the story is with a club that has come out of examinship/Administration.

CSKA SOfia owed money to creditors and players.

At the moment Cork should have no issues getting a UEFA License. They are debt free. Players are all paid upto date. They have decent facilities, a youth policy, they basically tick all the boxes in the manual.

The fact that they got into trouble, turned around and sorted it out and got their house in order, in a fair world, shouldn't really count against them.

[Rovers Maniac]

If you read though the licensing manual, there doen not seem to mention anything about a 3 year ban from competitions.

It is up to the local association to issue the Licenes for the coming season, and Uefa do spots checks, and at the moment seem very happy with the Licenses are issued.

They are very strict on fincial issues. But no one seems to know what the story is with a club that has come out of examinship/Administration.

CSKA SOfia owed money to creditors and players.

At the moment Cork should have no issues getting a UEFA License. They are debt free. Players are all paid upto date. They have decent facilities, a youth policy, they basically tick all the boxes in the manual.

The fact that they got into trouble, turned around and sorted it out and got their house in order, in a fair world, shouldn't really count against them.

Coleraine were banned for going into Administration which is the same as Examinership. The IFA appealled to UEFA on behalf of Coleraine but no joy.


"It is with regret that the Management Committee of Coleraine FC announces that the club will not be able to play in the UEFA Cup in 2008 / 2009 season. This is due to a failure to meet specific UEFA requirements in respect of the UEFA Licence application and is as a result of the clubs period of Administration falling within a 3 year criteria period prior to application.

The Management Committee wish to thank the IFA who fought our case and appealed on our behalf to UEFA but unfortunately this was to no avail.

However, if invited and subject to receiving a Domestic Licence, the club will be able to play in the Setanta Cup."


I will try and get you tickets for one of our home legs

[Dodge]

It is up to the local association to issue the Licenes for the coming season, and Uefa do spots checks, and at the moment seem very happy with the Licenses are issued.

There's a seperate license application that must be submitted to UEFA

Here's the 2005 version http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/358508.pdf

There might be a more up to date version on UEFA's site. its very, very detailed

[Dodge]

Pats have five yellow cards and they have tried to assassinate Kearney as well from what i'm hearing.

LOL @ that. Kearney wasn't hit with one tackle. Went donw and won about 6 frees though.

[BulmersKid]

There's a seperate license application that must be submitted to UEFA

Here's the 2005 version http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/358508.pdf

There might be a more up to date version on UEFA's site. its very, very detailed

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/k...id=510017.html

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as a granted licence by the national association, in its capacity as the licensor, proves that a certain quality level is achieved.

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/k...id=492201.html

Spot-check outcome
UEFA said on Tuesday that its sports legal and club licencing unit had informed UEFA's member associations about the outcome of the spot-checks - compliance audits - introduced last season. The checks ensure that the licences required to take part in European competitions are being correctly issued by the licensors, mainly national associations, in compliance with the various licencing requirements involving sporting, personnel and administrative, legal and financial criteria.

I'll say no more on that

Basically, if you believe the blurb from the FAI, any club that gets a Premier Club Licence should also get a Uefa Lience since the FAIs licencing manula is based on Uefa's

[BulmersKid]

UEFA Licence application and is as a result of the clubs period of Administration falling within a 3 year criteria period prior to application.

As of yet, I have not been able to find anything on this 3 year rule. And I have been looking.

Maybe this might be with the IFAs rules which maybe different slighty to the FAIs, but there is nothing in the Licencing manual that requires a 3 year ban for teams that enter administration. But maybe I've overlooked something.

There might be other reasons that weren't reported. I don't know.

If anyone can shed some light on this please do.

[Dodge]

The original UEFA competitions club lincensing agreement mentioned that clubs who had become bankrupt, or entered administration were precluded from applying for european license for 3 years.

There's simply no way that UEFA would allow the FAi to remove this

[Schumi]

Wouldn't be easier to just allow city compete .... to make life easy like

For the Finnish team they get drawn against, you mean?

Pats looked disinterested and can't see them winning a game again this season.

They'll win one anyway I'd say.

[pete]

If Uefa mention Administration that could mean very different things in the member countries. technically we did not go bankrupt as Cork City Investments still exists. Did Coleraine go bankrupt & emerge as a "new company" ?

[Rovers Maniac]

If Uefa mention Administration that could mean very different things in the member countries. technically we did not go bankrupt as Cork City Investments still exists. Did Coleraine go bankrupt & emerge as a "new company" ?

They ruling is for stepping into administration.

Examinership is known as administration in the UK. I think you lads are buggered being honest and i would expect the FAI to sppurt and appeal for you like the IFA seem to have done but rules are rules without trying to be sarky.

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[BulmersKid]

The original UEFA competitions club lincensing agreement mentioned that clubs who had become bankrupt, or entered administration were precluded from applying for european license for 3 years.

There's simply no way that UEFA would allow the FAi to remove this

But does the new one mention it?

[Dodge]

Don't know. Does it mention anything about european sanctions?

[A face]

They ruling is for stepping into administration.

Examinership is known as administration in the UK. I think you lads are buggered being honest and i would expect the FAI to sppurt and appeal for you like the IFA seem to have done but rules are rules without trying to be sarky.

We're in Ireland though, and Examinership is not Administration over here

[Rovers Maniac]

We're in Ireland though, and Examinership is not Administration over here

lol , Are you lads not living in the people's republic?

[derm]

Still awaiting official UN recognition

[Rovers Maniac]

Listen nothing annoys me more than winning something off the pitch, both us and you Cork lads have two games left, lets have a right go at each other on Friday and try and settle this on the pitch and whoever get 4th best of luck to them.

Although if you do win we will have Marian Harkin in Zurich quicker than you boys will be back up Pa street after the game

[dublinred]

We're in Ireland though, and Examinership is not Administration over here

More or less the same thing with different names , along the lines of Opel and Vauxhall, Bulmers and Magners , Fosters and p1ss.

[pineapple stu]

The original UEFA competitions club lincensing agreement mentioned that clubs who had become bankrupt, or entered administration were precluded from applying for european license for 3 years.

There's simply no way that UEFA would allow the FAi to remove this

Probably also worth noting that the fact the FAI have come out and said they want to force Cork into Europe means the rule is probably still there.

[Dodge]

Sorry must've missed that. Any links?

[pineapple stu]

It's in the eL forum somewhere; thought I remember you giving out about it! I'll try dig it up.

Edit - breakingnews.ie