Irish in England

[BanagherOK!]

Originally posted by nlgbbbblth
well said Conor

You my BIFFO friend probably considered those people who came out and cheered St Patricks Athletic [an Irish club, made up of predominately Irish players, who play in Ireland] against your beloved Celtic [a foreign club despite what you say] - as huns

I hold my hand up and say I support a Premiership club - who make no bones about the fact that they are English - but then again I don't have a problem with most England or English people.

And I'll be cheering on Man Utd tomorrow night against Rangers -and if they were playing Celtic I'd do the same. There's only two teams I support the red scum against and both are from Glasgow, - one group of fans think they're English, the other Irish.

cop onto yourself for f u c k s sake and stop insulting people with your bull**** arguments [/B][/QUOTE]

if Celtic play an Irish club in a friendly or competitive match your saying that I or any other Celtic fan would think of them as huns????????????? get real ffs,,,if you hate any football club you expect to get it in the neck from those fans,,,I couldnt give a toss if you liked Man City or any other club but start hating my "beloved" club and your gonna get it big time,,,,and as for your foreign comment Im sure there are a few who would think your a foreigner,,hence your love of english football (not me btw )

[BanagherOK!]

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
Like I said before, this kind of ****e is embarrassing. The man disagrees with you, as is his prerogative. Calling him a 'hun' does little for the reputation of Celtic fans as a whole. Disagree by all means, but choose your comebacks more carefully. Time for a little growing up.

For the benefit of anyone reading one of my earlier posts (in which I tried to defend our friend here), I'd like to point out for the record that my auld fella comes from just over the Galway side of Banagher bridge...

PP

telling me to grow up ???,,ok hows this for a careful comeback,,Plastic by name Plastic by nature your not my friend (thank feck) and over the Galway side of the Banagher bridge is where the tinkers live.

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by BanagherOK!
telling me to grow up ???,,ok hows this for a careful comeback,,Plastic by name Plastic by nature your not my friend (thank feck) and over the Galway side of the Banagher bridge is where the tinkers live.

Very good... did you write that one all by yourself? Anyway, you're up a wee bit late for a school night. Mammy will be cross when she sees you at breakfast!

PP

[BanagherOK!]

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
Very good... did you write that one all by yourself? Anyway, you're up a wee bit late for a school night. Mammy will be cross when she sees you at breakfast!

PP

Being up late is more to do with Celtic playing ****e In Belgium than any wishful thinking on your part

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by BanagherOK!
Being up late is more to do with Celtic playing ****e In Belgium than any wishful thinking on your part

Tell me about it. The worst display I've seen by Celtic under MON. And that includes the 5-1 defeat at Greyskull when he first took over. Sloppy finishing, an absent midfield (with the possible exception of Sutton) and once Jackie Mac went off, Joos left us well exposed down the left hand side.

Not happy either. But I digress.

PP

[Macy]

Originally posted by BanagherOK!
Its not about having a different point of view its about your HUN point of view you stupid fecker

Surely a "hun", would totally back up your arguement about Celtic, as opposed to anyone with any intelligence who would be able to quite definatively say that Celtic play in Glasgow, which is in Scotland, which is in Great Britain....

Anyway - fook both of the sectarian w@nkers....

[Duncan Gardner]

Originally posted by lopez
By the way, I've been meaning to ask you this - and I think this is appropriate considering the topic of conversation (even if we have got sidetracked) - but do you get many 'plastics' following YWC? I mean we get 'plastics' that are qualified to follow YWC; there were English accents in kilts going to Glasgow in February; I've known some English accented Taffs; and of course you don't need to mention the Italians, Turks and the Spanish.

Not really. When we played Germany in Dortmund a few years ago, rumour had it all the squaddies from Hannover and Gladach would turn up, but they didn't. Because of the poor run our support has a much larger proprtion of 'diehards' than, say, Wales at the moment. We took 900 fans to Spain, 500 to Greece, 100-200 to far Eastern Europe in this competition. I have to say your continued travelling support is amazing

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by Macy
Anyway - fook both of the sectarian w@nkers....

You're on a bit of a shoogly peg there, Macy... some of us follow Celtic as we actually like the football. In fact, the vast majority of us feel that way. I'm sure - no, I'm certain - it's just the same for most Rangers fans.

Anyway, I'll get my coat...

PP

[S.E.P.1990]

Originally from Lionel Hutz
Also werent Liverpool called "Niggerpool" in reference to their attitude to black players?

First black player was Howard Gayle. Niggerpool was a term coined by Everton fans before the first Merseyside derby in which John Barnes played.

[Paddy Ramone]

Everton's Dixie Deans(30's) and Mike Trebilcock(60's) were both of mixed race. I think Liverpool were one of the last of the top clubs in England to open it's doors to black players.

[S.E.P.1990]

I think Liverpool were one of the last top teams to open its doors to black players.

Not sure, off the top of my head (and i am open for correction on this one) Man Utd's first black player was after Howard Gayle (i think Remi Moses). Tottenham Hotspur also (Garth Crooks). The only team i think who consistently played black players were WBA.

I think all the teams were pretty awful until the late 70's and early 80's. Makes u wonder how many great players we never saw because of their colour.

[Plastic Paddy]

Although academic in approach, the following link from the Sir Norman Chester Centre for Football Research provides an excellent summary of the impact of Black players in British football. Well worth a read.

PP

http://www.le.ac.uk/footballresearch...heets/fs4.html

[S.E.P.1990]

Although academic in approach, the following link from the Sir Norman Chester Centre for Football Research provides an excellent summary of the impact of Black players in British football. Well worth a read.

Thanks Paddy.

[BanagherOK!]

Originally posted by Conor74
Damn, Lopez and Biffo had something beautiful going on, until Biffo went and spoiled it all by saying something stupid like...



Could there be a certain frostiness creeping into this cyber friendship? I suspect there is no point dealing with Biffo, by using the very term his ally hates, I get the impression that everything that has been posted here has gone ever so slightly over his head.

Lopez, on the other hand, clearly you are intelligent, and appreciative of Irish history and culture. If the "plastic" reference offended you, I apologise. As noted above, I reacted to Biffo's reference to "hun" and I saw you as applauding his points. I have a good friend who spent 30 years in Coventry before returning and I call him "plastic" and he laughs at it, but like anything I suppose it depends on context. If an English friend called me "Mick" in a lighthearted manner, I wouldn't care. If an English stranger called me "Mick" I would get very annoyed.

Conan the hun must be feeling ganged up on so he starts to suck up some arse...anyways,,strange thing is you keep saying Biffo,,is it me or all people from Offaly you have a problem with?

[BanagherOK!]

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
Tell me about it. The worst display I've seen by Celtic under MON. And that includes the 5-1 defeat at Greyskull when he first took over. Sloppy finishing, an absent midfield (with the possible exception of Sutton) and once Jackie Mac went off, Joos left us well exposed down the left hand side.

Not happy either. But I digress.

PP

the real annoying thing is that we got turned over by a team who played with the same passion that we do at Parkhead. Agathe might as well been playing for the opposition,,btw their black player Anun? fell all over the place but when he stayed on his feet he was superb

[S.E.P.1990]

Quite amused by the use of the word Hun. Its slightly ironic that it started its existence as an insult for Irish Catholics in Scotland during WW1.

Conor, stop winding up poor old BanagherOK! (which is a contradiction in terms if ever i heard one) or he may have to use other insults - anyway he is obviously not used to non-Celtic supporters down the pub.

[lopez]

Originally posted by Conor74
If an English friend called me "Mick" in a lighthearted manner, I wouldn't care. If an English stranger called me "Mick" I would get very annoyed.

It's not the term plastic from a stranger that annoys, its the suggestion that being born in a certain place overrides everything else.

Re: Celtic, you could make a number of accusations about Celtic that would be true - the club's collusion with Rangers despite the latter's discrimination against RCs and as I read in one of Britain's classier rags this morning, as shown by Alex Ferguson, those who have RCs as spouses; the religious bigotry of some of its supporters; the argument that if Celtic are 'an Irish club' why do some people put it on par with the national team (can't imagine even Rovers fans doing that). But this constant sniping of their identity suggests to me more a hostility to the 'diaspora'.

A few people may shed some light on this, but a few years back the Celtic board were trying hard to whitewash its Irish roots and one of the things was to promote the black and teddy boy sock green away shirt in more matches where the hoops would have played. Fans were up in arms about what they saw as the de-hibernification of the club.

Originally posted by Macy
Surely a "hun", would totally back up your arguement

Rangers fans will invariably argue that Celtic's Irishness is illegitimate while discriminating (no longer with players since 1989) on the sole grounds of their Irishness. Spend any time on the Follow Follow forum of Rangers, or even the site Duncan Gardner suggested above to see how these 'Plastics' (yes its that word again) from Scotland and, I kid you not, Northern Ireland should stop pretending they're Irish.

Originally posted by Macy
Celtic, as opposed to anyone with any intelligence who would be able to quite definatively say that Celtic play in Glasgow, which is in Scotland, which is in Great Britain....

...and of course me, PP, Junior etc were born in England which is in Britain, so we must be British.

Originally posted by Lionel Hutz
Name me one English team that has the same proportion of ethnic minorities, (black and asian) who attend matches as live in areas sorrounding the grounds which usually are in inner city areas where ethnic minorities make up a significant proportion of the population?

The answer to your question of course is none. I went to watch Leicester against Atletico Madrid some years back and I didn't see one Asian in the ground...in ****ing Leicester?

[Beavis]

While youse are in and around Celtic and Liverpool,can anyone enlighten me on why Celtic sing 'You'll never walk alone'?Some people have said that the Celts sung it first but this can't be true can it?

[Duncan Gardner]

Lopez- the suggestion (in today's London Guardian) that Ferguson was forced out of Ibrox due to his RC wife is a bit tenuous. Were it true- and were the subtext, ie that Alex should have been a regular internationalist, shared by anyone other than him and his mates- then surely the club would have transferred him to someone in England, where his brother played. Not Falkirk.

At the risk of turning this into a exlusive dialogue, you're slightly misrepresenting OWC. Rangers are discussed there rather less than Celtic here- largely, I think, because we're so bad that we don't tend to attract floating fans to Windsor. If/ when we start winning, they'll be back of course

[S.E.P.1990]

...and of course me, PP, Junior etc were born in England which is in Britain, so we must be British.

Horse and Stable argument again!!!

Though the difference is that u had no choice in where u were born. In Celtics case they built the stable and decided to live it. Probably Celtic are zebras, they look like a horse, they were born in a stable but there is just something different about them!

Surely Celtic are a British based-club with an Irish heritage and culture?