Irish in England

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by S.E.P.1990
Surely Celtic are a British based-club with an Irish heritage and culture?

At last. Amen to that.

While we're here, do you fancy a job at the Northern Ireland Office in Belfast brokering the next moves in the peace process? I'm guessing it would be - only slightly, admittedly - easier than gaining consensus on this board as to Celtic's status...

PP

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by lopez
...and of course me, PP, Junior etc were born in England which is in Britain, so we must be British

Lopez, you have my curiosity aroused. I see you're in Hertfordshire - whereabouts? I spent my yoof in Watford and went to school in Rickmansworth - are either familiar to you?

PP

[lopez]

Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
Lopez- the suggestion (in today's London Guardian) that Ferguson was forced out of Ibrox due to his RC wife is a bit tenuous.

Perhaps, but it was also the case of other employees of Rangers at least until the eighties

Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
At the risk of turning this into a exlusive dialogue, you're slightly misrepresenting OWC. Rangers are discussed there rather less than Celtic here- largely, I think, because we're so bad that we don't tend to attract floating fans to Windsor. If/ when we start winning, they'll be back of course

Rangers are discussed less often because fewer people - perhaps you and a couple of others - are willing to criticize them (unlike Celtic). My suggestion that many posters on the site continue to call Republic fans from the six counties as 'plastics' is true.

Originally posted by S.E.P.1990
Horse and Stable argument again!!!
Surely Celtic are a British based-club with an Irish heritage and culture?

Exactly!! Would you agree - in the name of peace - with that Connor?

[S.E.P.1990]

While youse are in and around Celtic and Liverpool,can anyone enlighten me on why Celtic sing 'You'll never walk alone'?Some people have said that the Celts sung it first but this can't be true can it?

Not sure why Celtic sing it but Liverpool sang it first, there is a recording of the Kop singing it in, i think, 1962/63.

[Macy]

Originally posted by lopez
Rangers fans will invariably argue that Celtic's Irishness is illegitimate while discriminating (no longer with players since 1989) on the sole grounds of their Irishness. Spend any time on the Follow Follow forum of Rangers, or even the site Duncan Gardner suggested above to see how these 'Plastics' (yes its that word again) from Scotland and, I kid you not, Northern Ireland should stop pretending they're Irish.

Don't think Rangers discriminated on nationality, only on religion... Also (and I open to correction here) didn't Rangers only implement the non-catholic policy in the 1930's ish (Thought I'd heard that before but could be way off the mark)....

Originally posted by lopez
...and of course me, PP, Junior etc were born in England which is in Britain, so we must be British.

I'd say if you're link to Ireland stretches back to 1887(?) then you links would be tenuous - the equivalent of some 6th generation "I've got Irish roots" T shirt wearing yank..... Sure if a players links were that far back they wouldn't qualify for the national team....

[S.E.P.1990]

Fergies claims re: his wife are extremely tenuous. Fergie wasnt even 4th choice striker at Rangers. In the one good season (appearances wise) at Ibrox the top two strikers had long term injuries (as far as i remember reading somewhere).

Wasnt it quite recently that the first non-Catholic got a seat on the Board at Celtic??

[BanagherOK!]

Originally posted by S.E.P.1990

Conor, stop winding up poor old BanagherOK! (which is a contradiction in terms if ever i heard one) or he may have to use other insults - anyway he is obviously not used to non-Celtic supporters down the pub.

I sense you have been taking the bravery pills

[BanagherOK!]

Originally posted by S.E.P.1990
While youse are in and around Celtic and Liverpool,can anyone enlighten me on why Celtic sing 'You'll never walk alone'?Some people have said that the Celts sung it first but this can't be true can it?

Not sure why Celtic sing it but Liverpool sang it first, there is a recording of the Kop singing it in, i think, 1962/63.

According to Gerry Marsden in a radio interview prior to him singing the song live before the Celtic v Liverpool game last year he said that the song was heard on the football terraces shortly after it was released as a single ,,,his opinion was it was sung at Liverpool first but only by a couple of weeks

[BanagherOK!]

Originally posted by S.E.P.1990

Wasnt it quite recently that the first non-Catholic got a seat on the Board at Celtic??

It was almost impossible for anyone to get a seat on the Celtic board who wasn't a member of the families that owned the club,,Fergus changed all that.

[BanagherOK!]

Originally posted by S.E.P.1990
...and of course me, PP, Junior etc were born in England which is in Britain, so we must be British.

Horse and Stable argument again!!!

Though the difference is that u had no choice in where u were born. In Celtics case they built the stable and decided to live it. Probably Celtic are zebras, they look like a horse, they were born in a stable but there is just something different about them!

Surely Celtic are a British based-club with an Irish heritage and culture?

surely Cliftonvile are a British based club with an Irish heritage and culture? (cough)

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by BanagherOK!
According to Gerry Marsden in a radio interview prior to him singing the song live before the Celtic v Liverpool game last year he said that the song was heard on the football terraces shortly after it was released as a single ,,,his opinion was it was sung at Liverpool first but only by a couple of weeks

YNWA is in fact a Rodgers and Hammerstein composition, and was written in 1945 for the musical Carousel. Several books have reported (including at least two histories of Celtic that I've read) that this was sung from the late-1950s onwards by the occupants of the Jungle at Parkhead, in other words, a few years before Gerry and the Pacemakers released their cover version in 1963.

I obviously can't substantiate this, as I'm too young...

PP

[lopez]

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
While we're here, do you fancy a job at the Northern Ireland Office in Belfast brokering the next moves in the peace process? I'm guessing it would be - only slightly, admittedly - easier than gaining consensus on this board as to Celtic's status.

I'll second that.

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
Lopez, you have my curiosity aroused. I see you're in Hertfordshire - whereabouts? I spent my yoof in Watford and went to school in Rickmansworth - are either familiar to you?

Don't tell me you were one of those little ****s from the school named after the French bird that came to an untimely end on a bonfire, that made (sorry, continue to make) my life hell on the tube.

No I'm from Hemel Hempstead, which you would know, but I work from Rickmansworth as a tube driver, which at the moment is like being Michael Schumacher...you know £3million pound vehicle, likely to kill me and a few other people any minute.

Originally posted by Conor74
...oh alright, I'll agree then.

PS, don't tell Banagher peace has broken out. Then he'll think we're all just "sucking arse", to use his curious phrase.

Brilliant!! Now Banagher can we kiss and make up?

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by lopez
Don't tell me you were one of those little ****s from the school named after the French bird that came to an untimely end on a bonfire, that made (sorry, continue to make) my life hell on the tube.

No I'm from Hemel Hempstead, which you would know, but I work from Rickmansworth as a tube driver, which at the moment is like being Michael Schumacher...you know £3million pound vehicle, likely to kill me and a few other people any minute.

Madness! My auld fella was a driver at Rickmansworth depot for over ten years. His best friend was one John Madden, who I've no doubt you'll know, and who retired from there recently. A small world indeed.

And yes, I was one of those wee ****s. Although I never used the train home and, frankly, had I done so, would have been on my bestest behaviour...

PP

PS Who the feck are you trying to kid that 'A' stock trains are "£3million vehicles"?

[lopez]

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
Madness! My auld fella was a driver at Rickmansworth depot for over ten years. His best friend was one John Madden, who I've no doubt you'll know, and who retired from there recently. A small world indeed.

When I was a guard there were four 1G drivers: a gentle old Corkman, another Corkman who was a nutter into bodybuilding and steroids and who was constantly telling me how he'd like to bugger me (without the KY of course), my old driver from Ballinasloe but he had four daughters, and the bloke who I think was your dad, Tom. If it is him, then say hello from Mr. Redmond.

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
:PS Who the feck are you trying to kid that 'A' stock trains are "£3million vehicles"?

But the rest of it was true.

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by lopez
When I was a guard there were four 1G drivers: a gentle old Corkman, another Corkman who was a nutter into bodybuilding and steroids and who was constantly telling me how he'd like to bugger me (without the KY of course), my old driver from Ballinasloe but he had four daughters, and the bloke who I think was your dad, Tom. If it is him, then say hello from Mr. Redmond.

But the rest of it was true.

In one, Lopez. Your deductions are spot-on. Tom junior at your service.

From your descriptions, my father identified Mick Reilly, Peter Corcoran and John Meehan. He wasn't entirely certain about Meehan, but your description of Corcoran was on the nail. Enough said.

He returns your regards. What a small world.

PP

[lopez]

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
In one, Lopez. Your deductions are spot-on. Tom junior at your service.

From your descriptions, my father identified Mick Reilly, Peter Corcoran and John Meehan. He wasn't entirely certain about Meehan, but your description of Corcoran was on the nail. Enough said.

A Salvador Dalí moment for you. eh? Got it right about the first two, but Dundalk John (his brother was one of the original Shadows) had gone into management when I joined (20 years this friday). Ballinasloe boy was Mick (Pasqual) Flaherty - think he lived near you in Croxley.

There were indeed five 1Gs - Chris Hartford the last. I was thinking about him on this thread - we have to keep some of this to football or Mr. Moderater may well quite rightly chuck us off - because he was a CofI Dubliner (father was a vicar or something higher) and although he went to watch Ireland in rugby and the 76 and 80 footie games at Wembley, was a Rangers supporter - nothing serious, just if anyone asked him his views on the old firm. Classic! Got the sack in the end through the drink, after being grassed up by this Scot, an ex-screw at the Maze.

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by lopez
A Salvador Dalí moment for you. eh? Got it right about the first two, but Dundalk John (his brother was one of the original Shadows) had gone into management when I joined (20 years this friday). Ballinasloe boy was Mick (Pasqual) Flaherty - think he lived near you in Croxley.

The old boy will be when I mention Pascal Flaherty as they were really good friends, and he's evidently forgotten all about him! He did indeed live in Croxley and his kids went to the same primary school as my sister. In fact, Pascal was due to give me driving lessons when I turned 17 (a long time ago now), but for some reason it never quite happened.

Happy anniversary for Friday. I imagine you'll be out on the sauce so long as Saturday's your rest day...

I'm interested on your anecdote about Chris Hartford from the footballing aspect, as the question about Rangers support in the Republic is one that rears its head from time to time on the Celtic message boards. There is talk of a Union flag flying at Rangers home games with "Dublin Loyal" embroidered on it. One fairly well-known case is that of Alan Maybury, the Hearts and sometime Ireland full-back, who grew up in Dublin and followed Rangers as a boy. Any others spring to mind, people?

PP

[lopez]

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
I'm interested on your anecdote about Chris Hartford from the footballing aspect, as the question about Rangers support in the Republic is one that rears its head from time to time on the Celtic message boards. There is talk of a Union flag flying at Rangers home games with "Dublin Loyal" embroidered on it. One fairly well-known case is that of Alan Maybury, the Hearts and sometime Ireland full-back, who grew up in Dublin and followed Rangers as a boy. Any others spring to mind, people?

Chris, as I stated , was Protestant, and despite the suggestion that he was therefore led by this to 'support' Rangers, he was anything less of an Irishman nor a bigot. Personally I have no probs with Irish people supporting Rangers. There are plenty people with no connection with either RC nor Ireland that support Celtic. There is a web site of the Dublin RSC, although by tommorrow, the banshees will be disturbed and there may well be all number of curses laid down on this bunch on this thread. BTW, there is a passionate Celtic supporter, friend of both mine and Duncan Gardner, and poster on this forum that is CofI, so it isn't always down to religion.

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by lopez
Chris, as I stated , was Protestant, and despite the suggestion that he was therefore led by this to 'support' Rangers, he was anything less of an Irishman nor a bigot. Personally I have no probs with Irish people supporting Rangers. There are plenty people with no connection with either RC nor Ireland that support Celtic. There is a web site of the Dublin RSC, although by tommorrow, the banshees will be disturbed and there may well be all number of curses laid down on this bunch on this thread. BTW, there is a passionate Celtic supporter, friend of both mine and Duncan Gardner, and poster on this forum that is CofI, so it isn't always down to religion.

I agree, and no inference was drawn about the correlation between Chris's religion, the club he followed, and certainly not about anything else like politics. I know plenty of Tims who profess no religion and plenty more from Protestant and Dissenter traditions; for these bhoys and ghirls, just as for myself, it's all about the football. As it should be.

I went to the website you mentioned above, and apart from it being in need of updating, it's written with a great sense of humour and is very entertaining. I've now also seen the famous "Dublin Loyal" flag. More power to them all, so long as they're content with second place in perpetuity.

PP

[BanagherOK!]

Originally posted by Conor74
Earth to strange guy, earth to strange guy, we can't make any sense of your post. Please resubmit using English, repeat please resubmit using English...

I didnt expect you to undertsnd it oh thick hun,,,and pssss it wasnt meant for you either!